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Audio Warping in futur upgrade of Cubasis ?

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  • SamuSamu

    One of the 'problems' I see with Link in iOS 'audio based' daws is the 'requirement' for real-time time-stretch of audio which is still quite CPU hungry.

    Would we accept 'snaps'n'crackle' on 20+ audio-tracks when changing the tempo??

    This is partly why it may also be tricky to implement a 'tempo-track' since recorded audio would need to be stretched in real-time with the tempo-changes.

    Sure we have a load of 'beatboxes' with Link support but none of them (that are publicly out, betas excluded) can 'stretch' the samples making them next to useless for tempo-based sounds.(Rex-Style 'slice-triggering' is not real time-stretching, the slices are just either cut off or played back in reverse if they end before the next slice should be triggered).

    But I'm pretty sure we'll see something within a month or two.

    I trust @LFS and his team knows what they are doing regarding Cubasis.

    Personally I'd love to see the Cubase 'Sampler Track' make it's way to Cubasis...

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
    edited March 2017

    I think recording is the hardest part. If you imagine trying to record onto a reel to reel while someone slows the tape by varying amounts at varying times....and then play it back at varying speeds and expect it to sound correct.
    That is what a DAW will be expected to do with Link support, or indeed with any external tempo control.

    Link itself is not the issue, it is the recording at a variable speed that is the main challenge. This is Why MIDI Clock in Cubasis is output only, and why tempo tracks are not implemented. When the speed is controlled by a tempo track the problem is not AS great as you can predict what speed you need to record at. When the tempo is controlled externally you have no info other than the current tempo, which by the time you've worked it out may have changed.

  • TritonmanTritonman
    edited March 2017

    @crony said:

    @Tritonman said:

    Link is more than likely one of the most asked for features in any app now. I am curious if there is perhaps some sort of difficulty implementing it within a DAW? No other DAW has linked yet either have they?

    Modstep, Gadget...Also Genome, but I would not recommend it.

    These are not DAW's however. So far I can find no DAW on iOS with LINK. Well not sure about modstep? Does it handle audio?

  • richardyotrichardyot

    AUM is the closest thing to a DAW that supports Link.

  • cronycrony
    edited March 2017

    @Tritonman said:

    @crony said:

    @Tritonman said:

    Link is more than likely one of the most asked for features in any app now. I am curious if there is perhaps some sort of difficulty implementing it within a DAW? No other DAW has linked yet either have they?

    Modstep, Gadget...Also Genome, but I would not recommend it.

    These are not DAW's however. So far I can find no DAW on iOS with LINK. Well not sure about modstep? Does it handle audio?

    To me Modstep is a proper DAW...Even further...Well, live oriented I would say...
    Combined with AUM it's just a blast, to me...
    It has a good sampler included, which now works fine...

    Gadget missing audio, true, but, as very nice synths and user friendly midi editing.

    I personaly finalise my tracks with Cubasis, but all is predone with AUM+Modstep, and some magic effects... :)

  • SamuSamu

    Loopy does some time-stretching, AUM only slows down or speeds up the playback of the audio-files.

    Also an app I'm testing allows the user to enable 'stretch' for audio-tracks and it has Link support too...
    B to the M to the 3 FTW!

  • realdavidairealdavidai

    @LFS said:

    @Proto said:
    @LFS

    Any plans to add Link support ???

    It's already asked before in another thread, but could not find an answer. Wasted so much time trying to sync the midi clock.
    I understand we can use the midilinksync app, but would prefer not to run an extra app in the background.

    While Link support is included in our backlog for quite some time, it will not come with the upcoming update.

    Best,
    Lars

    How about increase in MIDI PPQ resolution?

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
    edited March 2017

    Both Launchpad and blocs do audio stretching with link....neither is a DAW though.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Tritonman said:

    @crony said:

    @Tritonman said:

    Link is more than likely one of the most asked for features in any app now. I am curious if there is perhaps some sort of difficulty implementing it within a DAW? No other DAW has linked yet either have they?

    Modstep, Gadget...Also Genome, but I would not recommend it.

    These are not DAW's however. So far I can find no DAW on iOS with LINK. Well not sure about modstep? Does it handle audio?

    Modstep does not have audio tracks but does have a sampler.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    The closest we have come to a DAW like environment with Link is Gadget....when v3.0 with the audio gadgets does finally arrive....but we currently have no idea how it will work or how well it will work.

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    And Reason.

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg
    edited March 2017

    @Tritonman said:

    @LFS said:

    @Proto said:
    @LFS

    Any plans to add Link support ???

    It's already asked before in another thread, but could not find an answer. Wasted so much time trying to sync the midi clock.
    I understand we can use the midilinksync app, but would prefer not to run an extra app in the background.

    While Link support is included in our backlog for quite some time, it will not come with the upcoming update.

    Best,
    Lars

    Link is more than likely one of the most asked for features in any app now. I am curious if there is perhaps some sort of difficulty implementing it within a DAW? No other DAW has linked yet either have they?

    Only BM2, of the list above, (Genome, Gadget, Modstep) its the only actual (audio tracks etc) iOS DAW with Link so far. The sweet, ultra-stable, nearly forgotten $10 BM2.

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg

    BM2 has had Link since 12/13/16

    Meanwhile, go team Steinberg. Cubby is so cool.

  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck

    Knowing it's controversial to call it a daw, but NI Maschine has Link too. F***ing nice.

  • LFSLFS
    edited March 2017

    @Tritonman said:

    @LFS said:

    @Proto said:
    @LFS

    Link is more than likely one of the most asked for features in any app now. I am curious if there is perhaps some sort of difficulty implementing it within a DAW? No other DAW has linked yet either have they?

    I have been in exchange with Ableton regarding the SDK once link has been announced.
    Since Cubasis is driven by a super small team, we always have to find a good balance in regards to update scopes.
    We're aware that Link support would make a great Cubasis addition, but it comes at high costs engineering-wise and collides with existing roadmap plans at this moment. Nevertheless it is included in our backlog.

    Best,
    Lars

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