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Replace hardware setup w. iPad
Currently assessing whether iPad based setup can replace my hardware rig.
Sticking point for me at the minute is that I cannot find an ios synth that can replicate analog bass well enough for me to flip my JU-06. JU-06 is so much punchier, particularly on square and sine wave based bass.
Admittedly, i've only tried Micrologue and iMini and a couple of free apps so far.
Thought I would check peoples experiences on here to see whether its realistic to expect to be able to replace a JU-06 with an ios app.
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Maybe Moog Model 15. Certainly the warmest and fattest on iOS IMO.
Sunrizer produces nice bass tones.
you could use both? i use hardware and ios. best of both worlds
keep the ju-06
DRC produces a very 'analogish' synth sound that fits the Juno direction.
Start with low filter drive values, it reacts very sensitive to this particular item, but got all the grease a classic tone needs.
The PPG synths (Wavemapper/Wavegenerator) are more known for wavetable complexity, but do great basses, too. Not Juno-like, but the filter us exceptionally snappy with deep tones.
It will need to be updated to 64bit to escape the next major iOS cull though.
I see over at the Beepstreet forum the dev says it will happen so this is good.
On topic, I'd keep the hardware if reliable and you don't need the $. iOS is great but it will never replace decent hardware IMO.
I'd go along with this.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket, you may regret selling your hardware.
Yep don't sell your hardware unless you have to.
Another one for wavetable bass sounds here. I love a bit of PPG
Another vote for Sunrizer. It's more like a JP8000 than a Juno-106 but it definitely gives off a certain Roland vibe. And has punch for days.
Though if you've got the cash, Model 15 will not disappoint sound wise. is worth every penny for me. Not as quick/easy to program as something like Sunrizer though.
With the 32 bit 64 bit stuff Apple is pulling I would not let go of any hardware at this point. The future of owning apps is troubling.
I've done this for the most part. Still have some hardware but ios keeps me more music centric in my everyday life. And a/b'ing model 15, ioddesei, troublemaker, among others i don't hear less quality. Feel wise it is evident with most controllers, something i have adapted to but i can't say that twisting a dsi knob isn't more satisfying.
Imo dont try to replace your hardware with ipad, but get ipad and some audio interface with midi ports for it and plug to your other gear.
I started out wanting to replace hardware with iOS synths but then found that there was no substitute. But iOS synths are getting better, some are really good, but it's so awkward to use and less reliable. I have found that running my hardware into the iPad or using the iPad to control the hardware has been a good balance. Nothing like a real Moog running into an iPad rather than an iPad trying to be a Moog. Something is missing. However, on the desktop/laptop side the plug ins are getting so good that I wonder if that will finally inspire me to scale back the hardware. Just try U-HE Pro One or Synapse Audio The Legend and you will see what I mean.
I seem to change my mind every time the wind blows, but I'm leaning more and more towards pure iOS. Hardware is a pain in the ass and I don't think it sounds significantly better.
Don't forget Poison 202. Covers a lot of ground.
Use all of them in AUM (or AB3) and morphe them ala Mainstage...
Also check Thor, Animoog... people say they are gorgeous.
Bassalicious ? iOdyssei ?
Try these, but also
Keep the hardware
+1 - Use the iPad to enhance what you already have
@hypernobby I think the good question to ask yourself is : why do you wanna do this ?
Not enough space ? Live purpose ? Connectivity ? Portability ? To get less wires ? etc...
You won't find any synth that can sound exactly the same as your gears.
But you can indeed have something that sound really good...and even better, or very different at least...
Other question would be: how will you control your IOS synths ? That's crucial to me, because it's a real nightmare and it takes ages to set something logical and fun to play...
Do you have this time ? Do you have good controllers ?
Also, be prepared to have midi connections that disconnect miraculously after every reboot, sometimes weird midi issues, but you'll also get some crazy routing and effects that you can test in no times...Also crash after no use for an hour, or just crash randomly...
But after a long preparation...it's great to play with...Waiting for IOS fully 64 bits...
For me Model 15 and ArpOdyssei are the closest to that "analog" feeling.
But still far away from the mentioned Repro-1 f.e. which sounds like pure electricity
I would stick with both too for now.
Or this (sadly no iOS):
https://www.rolandcloud.com/instruments/legendary/juno-106
Thanks for all the viewpoints.
I'd like to cull my hardware to some extent as I travel extensively and love the fact that you can just pick up an iPad and jam anytime, anywhere. I've been making more music than ever on the iPad w. Cubasis 2 that i'm currently borrowing.
Perhaps i'll sell my Soundcraft desk, effects pedals, sequencer and digital recorder, and do my sequencing, mixing and recording on an iPad until I decided to flip (or not) the synths.
Well...The JU-06 is not that big...And it has all the controls accessible...
Even if most of my stuffs runs on iPads, I keep some of my gears...
Might be indeed the time to sell some stuffs, not sure about all of them...Specially the JU-06...
A K-Mix could replace a midi controller, a sound card (and a multi track recording) a mixer, a multi fx for instance...But you won't get preamps as good as a Soundcraft...No doubts...
And sometimes it's good to finalise your proper mix at home...
If i were you, id keep some synth you really dig that has midi out and use it through some pedals(some you really like) to ipad and also use it as a midi controller for ipad synths. Personally i have minibrute i use like this, there isnt really anything on ios that would give those sounds, and while the difference between real analog and digital emulation is getting smaller and smaller, its still there. The difference is biggest on how the filters can scream, how the filter(and some others) react with other components of the synth. And you cant really beat good analog distortion. And if you really like your pedal rig, you could "reamp"(dunno if its called reamping if you do it with pedals instead guitar amp) ipad synths through them if you have a suitable audio interface. Personally i would really like some hardware sequencer at least for drums. You can do sequencing ofc on ipad, but for some reason unknown, i tend to gravitate away from them, especially the more complex ones, even tho they seem great in theory. Im considering on getting midisteps tho, because i think it would suit me. Still i would really like mpc or some other hardware sequencer to sequence stuff on ipad to get more hands on feeling to it and not having to go through apps so much and fiddle with the screen. Btw i have ipad air2 now and honestly, it feels bit too small to me. Its not really an big issue and size of air2 is perfect if you want to keep it with you or do stuff on couch, but if it just sits on the table between other music gear, it just feels kinda like you need to go focus on the ipad too closely when you just want to push one button and go play keys. Im really waiting for beatmaker 3 because its supposed to be midi controllable, so i could map it to my controllers and not have to go to ipad to push rec, play etc. So you may or may not want to think of the big ipad pro. Im pretty sure ill upgrade to the new big pro, which should come out this year.
What comes to digital recorder and mixer. Well, check out AUM for mixer and blocs wave or loopy hd for audio looper recorder(i prefer blocs and dont get loopy, but some dig it over blocs). Blocs wave has ableton project export, so its easy to get the recordings to computer, dunno if loopy has that too nowadays.
What audio interface do you have? Its pretty essential for ipad setup.
Well, the future of 32bit apps anyway. It will be a long time before the jump from 64 to 128 happens.
don't know where to ask this.
Can I plug a stereo TRS cable in to the output of a reverb pedal or do I need to use mono TS cables?
Does this depend on the pedal? (I'm talking about a HOF mini if yes)
@Redo1 it says here, stereo pedal, so yes, stereo jack (and it's stereo in & out)
http://fr.audiofanzine.com/reverb-guitare/tc-electronic/hof-mini/
A mono should have a mono TS cable, or you might ending with no sound at all
And yes, it depends on the pedal.
Thanks I ended up using a stereo trs cable in the output of the pedal. It works. So...you can't do any damage plugging a stereo cable in a mono jack can you?
No damage, but it may end with no sound at all..
thanks @crony
Now I just read this in the online manual. (But it is still safe enough to use TRS cables I will assume? see, I'm still worried
)
“Do the TonePrint pedals have balanced
or unbalanced inputs/outputs?”
TonePrint pedals have unbalanced inputs and
outputs. Use cables with TS jacks (i.e., standard
instrument cables).