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Korg Volca Sample or FM?

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  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000
    edited March 2017

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Oh yea. Forgot about good ole patterning. Works brilliantly with the sample.

    So why would one buy a Volca sample and then get Patterning on an iPad to trigger samples on a separate piece of hardware when you can just load those exact same samples into Patterning itself?

    The only reasons I can think of are:

    A - you then save a pattern you're happy with on the Volca Sample itself and can later play it just on the Volca as part of a non-screen set up

    B - you want to set a Volca pattern going driven from Patterning, but then use the iPad screen for something else and use the Volca's physical knobs to mod the sound coming out of the Volca sample

    Or am I missing something else?

    the sample due to its 31.5 khz limitation actually adds some fuzzyness to the audio that only vintage drum machines add. its analog isolater filters sound devine too. you can try getting it using a bit reducer plugin and blamsofts filter but it never quite replicates it. Also... molding the sound on the sample is much MUCH faster as well. Patterning and ED's sampler is just too perfect sometimes.

    Ah ok. Thanks. So there is some 'sound' difference.

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Oh yea. Forgot about good ole patterning. Works brilliantly with the sample.

    So why would one buy a Volca sample and then get Patterning on an iPad to trigger samples on a separate piece of hardware when you can just load those exact same samples into Patterning itself?

    The only reasons I can think of are:

    A - you then save a pattern you're happy with on the Volca Sample itself and can later play it just on the Volca as part of a non-screen set up

    B - you want to set a Volca pattern going driven from Patterning, but then use the iPad screen for something else and use the Volca's physical knobs to mod the sound coming out of the Volca sample

    Or am I missing something else?

    the sample due to its 31.5 khz limitation actually adds some fuzzyness to the audio that only vintage drum machines add. its analog isolater filters sound devine too. you can try getting it using a bit reducer plugin and blamsofts filter but it never quite replicates it. Also... molding the sound on the sample is much MUCH faster as well. Patterning and ED's sampler is just too perfect sometimes.

    Ah ok. Thanks. Some there is some 'sound' difference.

    yup. it sounds unique. :D

  • CarnbotCarnbot
    edited March 2017

    @syrupcore said:
    The bummer bit is sometimes you load a sequence on the FM and think "Why in the FM did I save this crap?" Then you remember the arp, oct and vel sliders don't save with the sequence. Sometimes I can find "it" again, sometimes, not so much.

    Yeah even though I like them in theory, I don't like the restrictions of Volca sequencers so if I use them I prefer to record out sessions in audio for editing later, usually using some midi externally

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Oh yea. Forgot about good ole patterning. Works brilliantly with the sample.

    So why would one buy a Volca sample and then get Patterning on an iPad to trigger samples on a separate piece of hardware when you can just load those exact same samples into Patterning itself?

    The only reasons I can think of are:

    A - you then save a pattern you're happy with on the Volca Sample itself and can later play it just on the Volca as part of a non-screen set up

    B - you want to set a Volca pattern going driven from Patterning, but then use the iPad screen for something else and use the Volca's physical knobs to mod the sound coming out of the Volca sample

    Or am I missing something else?

    the sample due to its 31.5 khz limitation actually adds some fuzzyness to the audio that only vintage drum machines add. its analog isolater filters sound devine too. you can try getting it using a bit reducer plugin and blamsofts filter but it never quite replicates it. Also... molding the sound on the sample is much MUCH faster as well. Patterning and ED's sampler is just too perfect sometimes.

    Ah ok. Thanks. Some there is some 'sound' difference.

    Yeah will definitely get some different results in comparison, the motion sequencing adds a lot of depth to it too. My main issue with the Sample is getting samples in, wish someone could do an SD card hack ;)

    I know it's not that difficult but with the different apps available it's enough to make me reach for something else instead more often.

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @Carnbot said:

    @syrupcore said:
    The bummer bit is sometimes you load a sequence on the FM and think "Why in the FM did I save this crap?" Then you remember the arp, oct and vel sliders don't save with the sequence. Sometimes I can find "it" again, sometimes, not so much.

    Yeah even though I like them in theory, I don't like the restrictions of Volca sequencers so if I use them I prefer to record out sessions in audio for editing later, usually using some midi externally

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Oh yea. Forgot about good ole patterning. Works brilliantly with the sample.

    So why would one buy a Volca sample and then get Patterning on an iPad to trigger samples on a separate piece of hardware when you can just load those exact same samples into Patterning itself?

    The only reasons I can think of are:

    A - you then save a pattern you're happy with on the Volca Sample itself and can later play it just on the Volca as part of a non-screen set up

    B - you want to set a Volca pattern going driven from Patterning, but then use the iPad screen for something else and use the Volca's physical knobs to mod the sound coming out of the Volca sample

    Or am I missing something else?

    the sample due to its 31.5 khz limitation actually adds some fuzzyness to the audio that only vintage drum machines add. its analog isolater filters sound devine too. you can try getting it using a bit reducer plugin and blamsofts filter but it never quite replicates it. Also... molding the sound on the sample is much MUCH faster as well. Patterning and ED's sampler is just too perfect sometimes.

    Ah ok. Thanks. Some there is some 'sound' difference.

    Yeah will definitely get some different results in comparison, the motion sequencing adds a lot of depth to it too. My main issue with the Sample is getting samples in, wish someone could do an SD card hack ;)

    I know it's not that difficult but with the different apps available it's enough to make me reach for something else instead more often.

    If you have a PC/MAc use Vosyr downloadable from https://www.frederikson-labs.com
    It's a fantastic manager that lets you create banks of sounds and even program sequences. I've created tons of different banks this way and upload them to my sample depending on what I'm working on.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @syrupcore said:
    The bummer bit is sometimes you load a sequence on the FM and think "Why in the FM did I save this crap?" Then you remember the arp, oct and vel sliders don't save with the sequence. Sometimes I can find "it" again, sometimes, not so much.

    Yeah even though I like them in theory, I don't like the restrictions of Volca sequencers so if I use them I prefer to record out sessions in audio for editing later, usually using some midi externally

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Oh yea. Forgot about good ole patterning. Works brilliantly with the sample.

    So why would one buy a Volca sample and then get Patterning on an iPad to trigger samples on a separate piece of hardware when you can just load those exact same samples into Patterning itself?

    The only reasons I can think of are:

    A - you then save a pattern you're happy with on the Volca Sample itself and can later play it just on the Volca as part of a non-screen set up

    B - you want to set a Volca pattern going driven from Patterning, but then use the iPad screen for something else and use the Volca's physical knobs to mod the sound coming out of the Volca sample

    Or am I missing something else?

    the sample due to its 31.5 khz limitation actually adds some fuzzyness to the audio that only vintage drum machines add. its analog isolater filters sound devine too. you can try getting it using a bit reducer plugin and blamsofts filter but it never quite replicates it. Also... molding the sound on the sample is much MUCH faster as well. Patterning and ED's sampler is just too perfect sometimes.

    Ah ok. Thanks. Some there is some 'sound' difference.

    Yeah will definitely get some different results in comparison, the motion sequencing adds a lot of depth to it too. My main issue with the Sample is getting samples in, wish someone could do an SD card hack ;)

    I know it's not that difficult but with the different apps available it's enough to make me reach for something else instead more often.

    If you have a PC/MAc use Vosyr downloadable from https://www.frederikson-labs.com
    It's a fantastic manager that lets you create banks of sounds and even program sequences. I've created tons of different banks this way and upload them to my sample depending on what I'm working on.

    Yeah I've got that one, it is the best, but I still don't get new samples in very much. Just impatience on my part I think...But I should go back to it more often.

  • ghostly606ghostly606

    3 note polyphony kills the Volca FM for me. Pads need at least 6 imo. Love my Sample.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @ghostly606 said:
    3 note polyphony kills the Volca FM for me. Pads need at least 6 imo. Love my Sample.

    4, don't get greedy (says the guy who can't justify the price of the synth he wants)

  • BkraftyBkrafty

    How about you buy both and sell me the one you don't want for 110$

  • brambosbrambos

    This thread inspired me to put some fresh samples on my Volca Sample from contemporary drummachines I don't actually own (including Tanzbar, Vermona DRM1, Drumbrute, etc.).

    Does anyone happen to have a set of samples taken from an Akai Tom Cat (or Rhythm Wolf)? As shit as they are, they're still worth a few slots on my Volca, I guess :D

  • anicktanickt

    @brambos said:
    This thread inspired me to put some fresh samples on my Volca Sample from contemporary drummachines I don't actually own (including Tanzbar, Vermona DRM1, Drumbrute, etc.).

    Does anyone happen to have a set of samples taken from an Akai Tom Cat (or Rhythm Wolf)? As shit as they are, they're still worth a few slots on my Volca, I guess :D

    I have both. They're really not shit at all. If I get some time next weekend I'll shoot you a few samples.

  • brambosbrambos
    edited March 2017

    @anickt said:

    Does anyone happen to have a set of samples taken from an Akai Tom Cat (or Rhythm Wolf)? As shit as they are, they're still worth a few slots on my Volca, I guess :D

    I have both. They're really not shit at all. If I get some time next weekend I'll shoot you a few samples.

    Oh.. that would be sweet! I'm particularly interested in the Tom Cat (played with that on the Musik Messe when it was launched and had a bit of fun with it). I must say I wasn't impressed with the Rhythm Wolf but I guess I was mainly disappointed with the bass synth part of it - as a drum machine addict I can have fun with anything that clicks, booms, zaps and ploinks :)

    I'll share my Vermona/Arturia/MFB samples for the Volca Sample when I've organized them properly if anyone is interested.

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @anickt Can I get in on those samples ? Very much would want them too :D

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    I'd be quite interested in any Volca sample sets too if anyone posts them here :)

  • anicktanickt

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    @anickt Can I get in on those samples ? Very much would want them too :D

    I'll post a link when I get a chance. B)

  • anicktanickt

    @brambos said:

    @anickt said:

    Does anyone happen to have a set of samples taken from an Akai Tom Cat (or Rhythm Wolf)? As shit as they are, they're still worth a few slots on my Volca, I guess :D

    I have both. They're really not shit at all. If I get some time next weekend I'll shoot you a few samples.

    Oh.. that would be sweet! I'm particularly interested in the Tom Cat (played with that on the Musik Messe when it was launched and had a bit of fun with it). I must say I wasn't impressed with the Rhythm Wolf but I guess I was mainly disappointed with the bass synth part of it - as a drum machine addict I can have fun with anything that clicks, booms, zaps and ploinks :)

    I'll share my Vermona/Arturia/MFB samples for the Volca Sample when I've organized them properly if anyone is interested.

    Drum machine addict here as well. :D

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