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Give iMPC Pro another chance? or any other good apps for holiday?
I am going on a 1 week holiday and taking my ipad, I saw that iMpc Pro seems a lot more stable now (i requested a refund on it because of bugs and crashing).
Should I give it another go or buy something else (anything else worth a look?).
Haven't bought an app in a long time so anything released in the last 6 months i probably don't have.
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if only bm3 was out
though the iMpc Pro export to Mpc Live/X has me thinking I should grab it
I don't know what to say, I had that terrible problem with the impc for 2years almost and nobody else seemed to have it, literally not one other person could confirm it on this forum, then I called Moog and they immediately confirmed it ,then retronyms confirmed it and nothing happened ... then all of a sudden it's gone now after the last update, there's just no explanation for it. I have no idea how no one else had the problem I know I'm not the only one with an iPad mini 4 but it's gone now and I'm a happy camper.
i remember that @kobamoto, how is general stability now though? does it still crash randomly as that was my biggest gripe
i think im going to hang out for bm3
iMPC PRO is awesome
Especially in AUM
How so? What makes it better with AUM?
no crashing for me, but I think it crashes every time Monzo opens it
Ok that's enough for me to stay away, I had the same problem as monzo last time I used it, thanks
I wonder if you guys have the same setups.
I haven't given it a thorough play since re-installing from the latest update, so could just need to settle in. I'll have another go over the weekend and report back.
Biggest issue for me is it still auto-starts playing a song/sequence when I use it in an AUM IAA setup, which drives me up the wall.
At least for me, the stability issues were about using too high quality samples in it. It can only handle 16bit and maybe 24bit with 44.1khz. Using higher sample rates will cause instability if not immediate crash when trying to play them back.
Ok, I tried it again...
First, oh my, no start/stop thru IAA, well, let's see...Ah it sounds good, Link is working....Maybe I should use it rather than the sampler of Modstep ?...
Well, let's try with my effects (Turnado)
What ? No midi anymore ? it crash my midi connections between...EVERYTHING ???? No, can't be, it's me, ok, let's reboot.
Ok, now it works, I launch IMPC pro, play start/stop, ok, midi effects...no...
No start/stop thru IAA ? No program change ? No midi ?
Well, I'll stay polite, but it's A HUGE NO WAY, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY STUDIO RETRONYMS.
@brambos please do us a sampler, no sequencer, "just" an easy working wonderful app with FULL midi implementation.
I have the teaser if you want "this is NOT an Octatrack"
people without issues are less likely to comment.
The lack of 'Input Monitoring' when sampling audio sources keeps me away from iMPC Pro and what's even worse is that the developers don't even see any point in adding it to iMPC Pro... (It's like they intentionally 'forgot' that it would be good to be able to hear what's coming thru the input device such as iRig Mic HD before starting to record).
Must have given up...Like I did multiple times...
I gave it a few tries and just didn't like it overall. Workflow was choppy. Crashed more than I would expect with a very simple project. Notes dropping on playback. Effects not that great. No real fun factor.
Too unstable, don't bother
Yes and to add to this, the default settings for every scene with the compressor jacked too high add to that choppy workflow.
It seems to me this app was designed to produce a certain kind of trap music that's popular these days which is why the flux was the only kind of pad effect they offer us.
Instead of perfecting IMPC they released Hook which in many ways is a clone with an even uglier ui. They just created more problems for themselves and their users with that because that crashes too.
They could have saved themselves from so much hate from users by simply keeping the original MPC app alive, giving it pattern chaining, i.e. Song mode and continued to earn their revenues with their sample packs but instead they produced two new redundant and flawed apps and ignored complaints from thousands of users over the years.
It seems iMPC threads always end up here. As I've said before, It really doesn't matter much what we say about Retronyms. The iMPCs continue to be top sellers, and have been for years. They've been very successful. They just don't appear to be a good choice for discerning drum machine/sampler aficionados.
BeatHawk and BeatMaker 2 are the only other serious contenders in this category, which is why so many of us are anxiously awaiting their next iterations. If you don't care about on the fly sampling, Arturia's iSpark is also really good.
I liked the results I got from iSpark but it seemed when I would be away from it for a little while the 'relearning' was a little too much.
the mathematics is in contrast here, the impc pro has the largest iOS community with published music via their in app network.... simply put the amount of people that upload finished tracks from the app is in the bazillions ..... so literally speaking the math says that it's not crashing all the time for those people..... those people are obviously doing something different than us here on the forum... I contend that in my personal use it has been the best drumsampler on ios, bear in mind though that I don't include sample libraries in my comparison only features and workflow, and this is in spite of my seemingly being the single person on earth who had the impc pro animoog sampling bug that did indeed crashed the system %100 of the time until it was fixed several days ago.... outside of that if I wasn't sampling animoog, then the app was flawless, now the app is flawless on my iPad even when sampling animoog..... it no longer crashes at all.
I'm on an iPad mini 4 128 latest iOS update, and literally the app can do no wrong at this time. It's simply stunning, and this is coming from someone whom retronyms decided not to respond to for a period of time because I was less than charitable in responding to my own frustrations over the app crashing... lol......
so basically something is amiss , the app is an enigma for sure... just open It and go into the impc pro community and look at all of the people uploading their tracks with it and you will see the silent majority at work.
I think part of my lack of attachment to the app probably stems from the way I work, and the fact I've got a gazillion other music apps. So for rhythm I'll whip up something in Patterning and Elasticdrums, and muck it all about in my manglers, then chop it about in Blocs and whatnot for a live AUM jam.
impc Pro is more of a self-contained thing, which isn't really my cup of tea (I don't do much with Gadget for the same reason).
Maybe if I hadn't been put off by the bugs when it first came out, or it complemented my IAA Jam setup better, or the UI wasn't so dull...
I really wanted to love it, and tried many times to get to grips with it, but it looks like it's days are numbered again.
my workflow isn't that different from yours outside of the impc pro actually, I use the impc pro strictly for sample based production, with the exception of animoog, only pattern based workflow with allot of timing variations.. I used to compare it with bm2 allot but after a while it just didn't make sense anymore as they are so different in feature set, non linear vs linear, workflow... but if I'm not sampling from records or the sample library of records on my iPad then I'm going the Patterning, elastic drums/seekbeats route and ending up in Samplr.... don't use gadget for the same reasons you don't
Excuse my stupidity but what is the 'difference' between chaining 'sequences' into a 'song' in iMPC Pro to adding patterns(aka sequences) to a time-line(aka song) since 'patterns' can be re-used as many times as needed.
(Tempo-Track should be in place in the next beta(s) of an app I'm testing so...). If there is a need to work on a 'pattern'(aka sequence) that portion of the time-line can be easily looped.
This is in no way meant 'bashing' but trying to get a better 'grip' on the difference as it feels like the 'same thing'' to me with my 'Tracker Background'...
it's just easier I guess, focusing on a pattern like in the impc pro, or fl studio, or renoise feels quite different than doing the timeline thing take ableton for instance.... it feels different enough to have a session view for patterns, and a the timeline arranger view which has the looping you speak of and ableton already has tempo automation. In the impc pro in particular it really comes into it's own because you can have an independent for the most part mixer for each sequence, combine that with different tempo easily assigned to any sequence, and different time signature easily assigned to a different sequence and it opens up the non-linear paradigm for creative sake. Every hardware drum machine , and drum sampler/ groove box utilizes non-linear pattern production for quickness, and ease of use and manipulation, I guess it has always helped to be able to focus on a pattern or sequence/small chunk, and then string those together in different ways to achieve a particular production goal.... I'm looking forward to bm3 for whatever it's strengths might be but I definitely hope that the impc pro doesn't go linear as it would ruin the workflow that is based heavily on it being non-linear and we would lose the ability to have a mixer on sequence one automated completely different than the mixer that is automated in a totally different way on sequence two, so on and so on.... basically having snapshot mixing is really powerful in my opinion for doing all kinds of things to sample based sequences.... even the fx can be automated differently it's really powerful imho. another feature I really like on most non-linear pattern based approaches is that you usually can just press a button and merge as many patterns you want into one, it's a quick way to work, edit, rinse and repeat to get results. Not all pattern based systems allow this though, like Maschine for example it's pattern based but you can't make a bunch of patterns and then merge them into one cause it has no midi merge feature
I love the pattern/song option, probably my favorite feature on this app. It can do all sorts of clever things for sure, but I have always felt grinchy towards it because of its non-AB choice. It is what it is.
Once bitten and all that for me. I don't need it or want it anymore.
I understand it's like when you find out some app doesn't use audioshare and uses audio copy instead I'm like grrrrrrr
... Samu was being modest, we were in the same fox hole together back in the days of the retronym wars, actually he was a major I was just a private, he jumped on top of a grenade and I got the heck outta there
BUT.....and because I was feeling contrary with myself I did open it up tonight and put together the basis of a tune I like in an hour, Sound and structure and then pasted the outline into Auria and built something decent on top of that. Felicity. And to be fair it's been stable for me since the last update (pro/latest).