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iPhone 5 and USB MIDI
Hey all, I would like to discuss the problem of hooking up USB MIDI controllers to the iPhone 5.
Isn't it a shame the camera connection kit is not supported?
It seems like the only officialy supported way to hook up any USB MIDI device to the iPhone 5 would be through an iConnect MIDI device, right? But as great as that solution might be, the size of those kind of defeats the purpose of a ultra portable setup.
I really wish Apple would add support for the CCK for iPhone 5 with iOS 7.
Maybe if enough people told them they want it they would actually listen (in my dreams...) ?
I did find a tweak on cydia called cameraconnector that's supposed to add the functionality at least in theory.
But first of all my phone isn't jailbroken (yet) and nobody seems to have any first hand experience with the cameraconnector running on the iPhone 5. Only some very mixed reports with iPhone 4 and 4s so far.
There would be some very odd workarounds like connecting a lightning to 30 pin adaptor + iRig MIDI (or similar) + an expensive USB to MIDI expander. But that would be a royal PITA and more expensive than the iConnect MIDI.
Probably folks like IK Multimedia or Line6 could easily offer something like an iRig MIDI with Lightning and USB, the only thing would be that one would maybe have to power it externally.
Why doesn't anybody make a very compact Audio + USB MIDI interface with Lightning cable + PSU? Pleeaaaase?
Then you could run both audio and MIDI into the iPhone simultaneously.
It would be much appreciated to hear about any other possible solutions or if anybody out there has the cydia tweak up and running on their iPhone 5.
Probably the best thing to do at this point is get an iConnect MIDI 2, right?
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I'm not aware of any alternatives to the ones you mentioned and agree that a good lightning adaptor would be a great add.
I saw a while ago that it should possible with a jailbreak because apple just doesn't allow it because of the small battery power. That sucks! I never tryed a jailbreak myself... so i'm not 100% sure about that. Indeed i see in general a big mistake about this "amazing" Lightning! After a year there are still not much accessories available. Using the 30pin to lightning adapter.... no way for me!
I'm really interested in using my iPhone 5 as a backup synth source for gigs, the only options for me achieving this are (as you have already said) with a 30 pin adaptor and an iRig MIDI or similar.
I would really rather not have to purchase something and then use an adaptor to achieve this. I don't follow apple's logic for not allowing the CCK to work on the iPhone 5, it seems ridiculous.
I notice the iRig keys can be used with a (non included) USB to lightning adaptor, I wonder whether this might also work on other USB equipment ? I doubt it will but it at least shows that this can be done...
Just in case anybody digs up this thread and missed the news: The problem has been solved with iOS 7. The USB camera connector now is oficially supported for the iPhone 5 upwards and I think 4s as well. So go and get a CCK in case you didn't get one yet. USB hub also works, sometimes needs external power depending on the devices being used.
Does this mean that the I can also use an sd card reader to get photos onto my phone from a memory card?
I don't know. Google it... Maybe?
If I want to simply program a midi sequence on my iphone and send it out via USB MIDI to a hardware synth, would I need a MIDI device in between like iConnect MIDI 2 or can I just use run the CCK > USB cable > USB input on hardware synth?
Also is there a really basic piano roll app for iPhone to do this?
with iOS 7 you can, now…no?
I tried it but couldn't get it to work. Is there a setting somewhere I'm missing?
I'm not sure what exactly you tried and why it didn't work. Maybe you could be a little more specific. One possible reason could be that your USB MIDI interface isn't supported. Not all of them are core MIDI compatible. Or it might need a powered hub.
Apollo also works quite well, for a BLE connection. But so far in my experience, if a controller can work into the iPad, it should also work into the iPhone 5 (iOS 7) the same. I've done this with both a 30 pin CCK + Lightning adapter and the official lightning CCK. QuNeo and QuNexus both.
pretty sure this is inaccurate, if you want to include iphone as a wired v.midi controller (at least on windows, can't commented on the enviable Mac platform)
anyone comment on whether CCK is useful/necessary in 'mobile music magic' -
ie, iphone+ipad (/+controllers)... if this allows, for example, full-size generic midi keys / pads / mixers etc...
hey, can't answer ya q but wondered, re your comment if ya got any more info...
I know (now) that iphone (unless jailbreaked) will not play MIDI-CCK ball with my winMIDI setup.
I have an evolution mk461c, with midi out or USB.
I thought, MAYBE, if I use MIDI->USB, and use iphone->CCK->USB->461C, I'll have a dynamic interface on my iphone, where I can map functions to my hearts content... but no, nada.
I'm using a non-apple camera-connector with an integrated 3-port hub, which connects flawlessly to my ipone 6. I'm on I-OS 8.3. I suppose, this should also work with an iphone 5. I've connected a M-Audio Oxygen 49 MK IV and an Olympus LS-3 (same as LS-7) to it.
@JonnyH I have used a MIDI <-> USB cable directly into CCK with iPhone 5. Now admittedly I used it for MIDI IN, where I was playing sounds in GarageBand on the iPhone from an old electric piano which has MIDI ports, but I don't see why it wouldn't work both ways.
It is accurate but you obviously didn't quite understand it. I was talking about the USB camera adapter now being supported by iPhones too. I never wrote anything about virtual midi between iPhone and windows. If that's what you want I believe you can do it without CCK with the charging cable and midimittr (previously called Midi LE) as mentioned here: http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/8112/midi-le-usb-midi-on-windows-works#latest
Good luck with that!
Which apps (ios) can use this CCK thing ?
Is it only for input to ya mobile 'daw' /destination? or can you use the CCK with an iphone 4s and app X to do wired (usb) osc/midi magic?
unrelated note, jsut discovered articles on amos - free, 'another midi osc' app from 'anything honest'...
anyone used it? can't see it on the app store. has it been removed/renamed, or is it ipad only?
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It may be applied with an external keyboard to drive a synth app (midi in), then you can transfer the midi signal over bluetooth or wifi to another device.
@Munibeast I should clarify, my allegation of inaccuracy was just re the speculation on iOS7/iPhone 4s-compatability (with CCK).
I've seen/heard of a cydia tweak for the JB community (already mentioned here previously), but even that isn't an option in the new world (currently iOS9+).
I have a dj2go controller (not sure how much power it uses) and an independently-powered, evo-MIDI keyboard (forget the model)...
just an FYI, realistically ya kinda need an iPad (or maybe even power some google/android-tablet-thing?!) for super-trendy, proper digi-music-mobile-freeestyling (in my humble opinion)
@crzycrs isn't bluetooth the most unreliable transport method? you use it mainly? no problems?
Well, @MR_jh, try it: apollo midi over bluetooth, midimittr, free apps.
If i gather your info correctly, you're on iphone 4s? With a laptop? There you would need 'rtpmidi' for a wifi connection with your iphone's 'network session'. And you would need a daw, of course.
midimittr app to set up BTLE conections, run that for hours. Just don't send clock or get too busy on the pitch bend (relatively low bandwidth).
FYI on the iPhone 5 + CCK, posted this some years ago. The 5 is almost as powerful as the Air 1, except for less room for Apps.