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Good questions. Also interested in some learnin'.
I heard somewhere the naming convention has only to do with the cities where Korg has offices, nothing more.
I worked in Milpitas for years and drive through there every day, and I can guarantee you there is nothing of significance musically there. The smell from the nearby landfill is about all it's famous for.
If you axe me, given dat the AB forum is an emergin culture of it's own, we can pronounce REKIFE h'ever we wanna.
So would a gadget named after one of their most rural locations possibly be named "Bumfuck" as in "Bumfuck Egypt"? Trying to imagine what kind of gadget would get this moniker?
Fuck it...I'm gonna call it New Korg Drum thingy
I'm gonna call it "shoulda just been some extra knobs in London".
Yah extra knobs for Bilbao, then we could still import samples.
@wim I read in a few places (one was on this forum) that MIlpitas, California is where the ex-Sequential Circuits team that developed the Wavestation were based.
http://musicappblog.com/iwavestation-launched/
But if you are correct, maybe we'll find the name of new gadgets in listings like this:
http://www.korg.com/us/corporate/distributors/
But it seems Korg has their Brazilian office in Sao Paolo and not Recife, which if you know Brazil, makes sense.
The thing is, in English, when your pronounce foreign cities (or other words or names) as a foreigner would (which of course is actually correct in the original language/culture), it can sound pretentious.
For example, if you were in New York or London and you were to pronounce Paris like a French speaker (Pah-ree), people are either not going to know what you are talking about at first, or think you are joking or trying to sound artificially sophisticated. Similarly, English speakers pronounce Rio as "Ree-oh" (not Hee-oo, like a native actually would in Rio De Janeiro).
So there's "correct" in the original language and there is correct for a English speaker employing a foreign word. So, it's really up to you how much of a stickler you want to be, vs. how much you want to risk coming off sounding pretentious. Me, I usually go for pretentious, if I can get away with it.
. But even I wouldn't attempt to pull off pronouncing "Rio" like a true Carioca.
Ha! There you go.
Funny - Around here we like to pronounce Milpitas as with a pretentious French accent (Meel-pee-TAS) as a ironic put down to it's decidedly non sophisticated aura.
"Dahling, would you care to accompany me in Milpitas for a tête-à-tête over the Wednesday special at Denny's?"
"Mais oui ma chère!"
Ha! Like pronouncing Target as "tar-zJAY".
Well that settles it then. There is indeed a Target in Milpitas. That's culture right there!
It's hard to english people pronnounce the "r"sound...
So, it's like "R" + "E" + "CIF" (as "thief" sounds) + "E".
Which is the town called previously Pernambuco.
The pronunciation isn't ambiguous to Brazilians, especially residents of Recife. It's easy to claim something you don't know as being ambiguous; however, this doesn't mean it is. Gadget's are named after cities as a sign of respect for the city's musical heritage. A willingness to attempt to pronounce the name correctly is another sign of respect. In this case I'd defer to @theconnactic for the pronunciation.
Despite the many decades Moog has been around, many people still pronounce it incorrectly even though it's associated with a specific individual.
I totally feel ya on this, bruh. Except that there are those who will brand you an elitist if you seem to be trying too hard to affect such "signs of respect."
I'll never forget back when I was in high school and there was this one kid who was all smug and proud of himself when he discovered that Spanish painter Salvador Dali's name was actually pronounced "dah-LEE" (after we had spent our whole lives hearing it pronounced like "Dolly"), and went around telling everyone, "Well, you know, Dah-LEE this and Dah-LEE that." That lasted about a week before the social stigma forced him back to the norm.
And let's not even get started on the whole Moog thing!
Conversely, it didn't take long -- when I used to try and hang with a punch of Puerto Rican musicians -- for them to shame me out of my habit of pronouncing "salsa" as "suhl-suh," instead of "SAHL-sah". So, it all depends on the folkways and mores of the given socio-cultural milieu. (Yes, I said "milieu." Is that elitist enough for you? I even eat pizza with a knife and fork sometimes!)
Personally, I'm less concerned about being perceived as being an elitist by trying to pronounce the name of something as a tribute to its musical heritage than I am in trying to make an attempt to show respect.
Here's what Bob Moog had to say on the subject of how to pronounce his name.
Or as Charlie Brown put it, "Good grief"
Personally, I always pronounced it "mogue", and all the more so after I met the man.
But I guess I'm something of a "linguistic relativist," as it were, and will tend to adapt to my circumstances in many cases (what Athropologists call "code switching"). (Jeez, if I wasn't already coming off elitist/pedantic enough, but (sigh) in for a penny...)
Anyway, I'm sure we all have the greatest respect for the man, and he was never seriously offended by how people pronounced his name. Most people who say "mooog" know it's incorrect but just like it better that way because that's what they're used to. Just like I will continue to say "Salvador Dolly".
Michael Nesmith - Rio
For many years I had no idea I was pronouncing his name incorrectly or even who he was. When I learned more, I changed my pronunciation. I thought his video was interesting beyond his specific name as it addressed many of the issues associated with names and how you pronounce them.
This is definitely one of those socio-linguistic ponies you can ride savagely down either track...
I have expressed my point of view on this subject sufficiently and probably would have said nothing if I didn't find the tendency of many native English speakers to make little or no attempt to pronounce non-English names correctly to be ironic. As Bob Moog pointed out in his video, the Dutch pronunciation of his name was too challenging for English speakers. I can't pronounce my own non-English last name as a native speaker would despite trying to learn how to do so.
Because English arose from a multitude of different languages it's one of the most difficult to learn in the world. Conveniently for me, the Audiobus forum, the language of science, and many other international standards are based upon English. When I try to make an effort to correctly pronounce a name it's primarily because I respect the creator so much that I want to honor them by getting their name right. In addition, I have many nationalities and cultures in my ancestry most of whom I never met so taking some time to learn more about them is interesting to me. The same can be said for my relatively limited musical knowledge where learning more has been very rewarding.
I prefer wrecklife - with a silent L
@Reid, I was a small kid when I lived in Recife - three decades ago! There were then several great musicians that came from Recife (and the state of Pernambuco, of which Recife is the capital) and rose to national fame; from the top of my head I'd list Alceu Valença, Geraldo Azevedo, Sivuca and Zé Ramalho (both from the neighboring state of Paraíba). Their work is a blend of regional and folkloric styles and a more modern genres such as rock and pop. They are well-known to Brazilian audiences for decades now.
About the current state of Recife's music, I don't know much. Inever went back there after moving out. But from time to time, Recife's underground music scene make waves that are felt throughout the entirety of Brazil - the so called "Mangue Beat" - or even worldwide (Chico Science, by the way the precursor of Mangue Beat). And traditional Frevo music from Recife and mainly Olinda, a nearby town, is ubiquitous during the Carnival.
Hope that helps.
I started this thread mostly because everyone seemed to be fumbling with the pronunciation, so I thought it would help to say definitively, "Here's how to say it." I mean, I didn't know myself how to say the word.
On a related topic, see if you can locate the Saturday Night Live skit with Jimmy Smits as a professional trying to acclimate to an overly-PC office environment. All I can say is torrr-NAH-do!
Nothing to do with pronunciation, this is just my favorite song with that title:
"Rat" > @kgmessier said:
Thanks, that almost felt prophetic. It is one of those unfortunate truth in humor moments.
I once did some work in a small town in the southeastern part of the Netherlands, near Nijmegen. I was going to be staying near a little town named Gennep. Around the lunch table I asked how to prounounce it, and was treated to a 15 minute plus in-depth debate between 6 or 8 people who all lived within 20km over the proper pronunciation. Some of them lived within a 5 minute drive and had differing opinions. The only thing they all agreed on was the local residents had it wrong. Didn't matter to me as I couldn't reproduce any of the pronunciations to anyone's satisfaction, but it was very entertaining.