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Are there any YouTube channels dedicated to Blues, Rock or even Country music creation in iOS?
I understand that I'm risking the ire of most of the people that post here, but I hate dance music. I'm not calling it bad, or saying it's not music, but the heavy bass and constant THUD, THUD, THUD, gives me a headache after a couple minutes. With that in mind I have still tried to learn from channels such as TheSoundTestRoom, but his music and my brain do not mesh.
So I'm wondering if anyone out there is making videos that show creating a 12 bar blues in Gadget, or a steady rock beat in patterning?
As a guitar player, apps such as ToneStack, Amplitube, and Ampkit drew me in. I now have a massive collection of apps that I've had fun playing around in, but would like to actually start using to create my own music.
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may be there's so few because the result is almost bound to suck in some way.
I'm into country because overproduced top40 and dance stuff annoy me.
Though fiddling myself with a lot of electronic I almost entirely listen to (preferably) live acoustic music in those rare cases I 'listen' (usually in public transport vehicles).
Imho it's incredibly hard to melt 'automated' stuff to something with a natural groove, which most performers of the genre seem to achieve effortlessly.
Whenever I tried to extend my own 'creations' with rhythmic parts, I found it extremely difficult.
I mean it not to discourage the idea in general, but as an explanation.
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Don't know about any YouTube channels, but I have a couple of thoughts. First, there's a couple of "drummers" in GarageBand that have some really high-quality beats and tones that I could certainly see working in rock/blues/country. Not at my iPad now so I can't check their names, but I've created a couple of really kicking rock tunes using GB drummer, sliced the heck out of the track, increased the fill frequency in certain measures, swapped out the hat for the ride in others, imported into Auria Pro, ran through MicroWarmer, and wow! Totally ready to lay down some bass, rhythm and lead guitars, and maybe some piano from Sampletank or Module. TheSoundtestRoom has a really helpful video on GB drummer and how to slice up and had a lot of variety to a track. You can also add swing for your jazz tunes. Though I don't yet have it, I am of the opinion from this forum that DrumSession is a must-have app if you're making rock music on the iPad. Echoing what I said above, I think I'd run any drum track generated from another app through MicroWarmer and/or Old Timer in Auria Pro.
I'm not asking about Guitar Lessons. I curious if there are channels that demonstrate iOS apps using Blues or Rock
@jayfehr So you are looking for something other than EDM? I do love me some EDM but I also play guitar and enjoy some blues, rock, progressive metal, and old country.
I can see what I can do as far as making some other than EDM music in iOS. Gadget specific? or what other apps do you have?
I would appreciate that. I have quite a few, apps, and would buy other affordable ones if they make the process easier. Here's a list of apps I have:
AudioBus (2 and 3)
AUM
AudioShare
Cubasis
GarageBand
Djay Pro
Gadget
Patterning
DrumPerfectPro
DM1
Auxy
Fugue Machine
StepPolyArp
Caustic
Musix Pro
Model 15
ThumbJam
Korg Module
Korg 1M1
iGrand Piano (free)
SP Link Edition
AudioStretch
AmpliTube
AmpKit
ToneBridge
ToneStack
Loopy HD
Looperverse
Echo Pad
Johnny
Stereo Designer
Caramel
Swoopster
Crystalline
All the new MidiFlow apps
I'm not against electric sounds. One of the things I'm curious about doing is implementing some of those sounds for new takes on classics.
What I'd really be interested in would be a series on modernizing old blues songs. Take songs like Crossroads, Hoochie Coochie Man, and Sweet Home Chicago, and recreate them in iOS. Keeping the same bluesy feel but using modern electronic instruments. Then with the added bonus of playing a real guitar over the new track.
Bonus points for using midi pedals (I also have a behringer 1010) to play the chorus, verse and various bridges to create a live "improvisations" of the songs. Throw in an extra verse here, play a double chorus there, kind of thing.
In the end though, I would like the songs to sound like more traditional Blues/Rock/Country, and not just the repetitive EDM style of music
Thanks for at least taking the time to consider this.
EDIT: The biggest hangup I've had, especially with Blues music was getting a consistent triplet swing feel. A video just on that would go a long ways to helping me out.
Noticing apps you have,only one thing is missing: starting making music.
Kinda the point of this thread. I've played around and tried to figure it out, but I just get bad sounding Dance music, nothing melodic. Hence, asking for tutorials.
Do you have a real guitar and bass, and a condenser mic with an appropriate audio interface, @jayfehr? If yes, this setup is for you:
Auria Pro - get all the free Lyra packs. What really matters to you here are the piano and the acoustic drums sample pack. Get some professional loops in the Auria store and/or elsewhere (@supanorton recorded a classic rock album using some pro loops, perhaps he can show you directions). Also, you could get some plug-ins, but in actually you can get impressive mixing/mastering results with what's bundled already in the app. But there is one plug-in you must get, and this is OverloudTHM, the best amp sim in all iOS.
With Auria Pro, you can sketch your drums and piano parts for your country/blues/metal/classic rock song, and even compose professional sounding drums from stereo or multitrack loops. Then fire Overloud THM and start adding your guitar and bass parts. Then you can edit - the tools are as powerful as ProTools' - and use the channel strip's built-in FXs (compressor, expander, gate, limiter, multipressor) and some free built-in plug-ins (reverb, chorus, delay, convolution) to mix and polish the song. Even master it, if it's your thing.
If you are not satisfied with the built-in drum packs and don't really want to work with loops, get either DrumPerfect Pro or Drum Session in the app store.
Here's a metal song I made with Auria Pro (and the drums were made with DrumPerfect Pro):
Yes, this is much closer to what I'm trying to do. I do have an interface and play my guitar through my iPad daily. It's my pedal board. No bass, but I use the PitchFork pedal to simulate one. The PitchFork and my tuner are my only two physical pedals.
And this is @supanorton's classic rock album made with Auria: https://artienorton.bandcamp.com/releases
Other fellow that perhaps can show you directions to get started with Auria Pro is @MusicInclusive (but I think he's more into orchestral music).
Hopefully he can use apps that I already have. Auria Pro is expensive.
Indeed! Well, you have Cubasis, you could use it to sketch your songs, then use DrumPerfect Pro as the acoustic drums sound source, Korg Module or iGrand for the keys and Tonestack/AmpKit/Amplitube as your amp sim. Cubasis doesn't allow for you to be as forensic as Auria in regards to editing mixing, but using your ears, good monitors and time, you can get where you want. You don't have a mastering app as well, perhaps Final Touch would be a nice addition. Or you can get Auria LE (audio-only, much cheaper than Auria Pro) and finish your tracks there.
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but you listed genres that are based on live playing. Plenty of drum loops in the world, plus drum apps, and the drummers in garageband are great. Gadget really is not geared towards any of the things you mentioned. I'm not saying you can't use it, but doing a blues shuffle or a country beat is not going to be its strong point so you'll really be fighting to get what you want.
There's absolutely no reason someone could not do a releasable album entirely in ios garageband these days. Well, one reason - not using it (or auria, Cuba is, whatever) at all but searching for magic apps instead. Everyone on this board has done it at one time or another I bet.
As was said, start writing and recording!
With all that being said in my above post, it's been a while since I bought a music app and the iPad seems to be a sheet music reader and live mixer controller for me most now, and garageband for demos. Most of the recording I do now is live jazz or my own gigs from our board and Auria is not easy to use for those mixes because of the way the automation works, so I use my macbook air (the 11" with an ssd is pretty much just as portable and just as easy to start up as my iPad) and either reaper or as of the other day harrison mixbus to mix. I haven't abandoned auria but it just doesn't fit what I need right now.
When I get together in the summer with shutterwax, my original project, I no longer engineer and I prefer it that way. So I make demos on garageband, as do others, then we throw the ideas in Dropbox to start writing together.
So, more again to be said for garageband...
I think he wants someone to make a "how to make blues, rock, country video" because he's not sure how to go about getting it all started.
I'm sorry, @jayfehr, but I don't make videos because I don't know the first thing about it. The advice above is all good, and it's just a matter of picking an app or two and putting some tracks down. If you have any questions about my work flow, I'd be happy to explain what I do.
As @theconnactic says above, I recorded a rock album all on iOS using drum loops as I don't like programming. I downloaded packs from The Loop Loft and installed them in Auria. I also used loops from apps called Drum Loops HD and Drum Loops HD2. I'm very excited about a drum app called DrumSession, which is very easy to use and customize. It's excellent. Here's a song I recorded using it.
I've tried. That's why I'm asking for a link to a tutorial. Telling me to start writing at this point is like giving me an Italian Dictionary, dropping me off in Rome and telling me to get a job.
Let's just start with something simple.
If my goal is to make a modern cover of Sweet Home Chicago, an E blues, using Patterning as the drum, Model 15 as the bass, and iPiano for the melody, while playing guitar into loopy for rhythm, and then soloing over the entire mix. How do I do that? How do I accomplish step 1, and just get an 12 bar blues in sync with the same shuffle feel in each app?
I've spent days off and on trying to accomplish this.
Start garageband, pick a shuffle from one of the drummers or load an apple loop on the track , select the virtual bass, play to the drummer, select the smart piano, bang out the chords, then there you go.
Of you want to use the apps you mentioned, are you asking how to have them play in sync? I'm really not trying to argue with you, I'm just not exactly understanding what you want to do.
Are you trying to make a track on your own that sounds like a real blues band? Or are you just trying to make a blues but not sound traditional, but instead making it sound electronic but with a shuffle feel? I think that may be what you mean by a modern cover?
Aside from patterning, you can just play the other things with a shuffle feel into loopy through audiobus. Maybe that answers it?
Or, if you need something to solo over for practice, just get some backing tracks, I know @flo26 does that often.
Sorry if that's not answering your question, if it's not then I'm not the person to answer it.
I'm trying to learn how to use these apps to create non-dance songs. I want to write my own music, I enjoy playing with these apps, and would like to use them. I want to see the same videos that are posted on the sound test room and the audio dabbler, but with the end result being a rock or blues track, not a thud thud thud track.
If I could request a specific video to start it would be how to sync a triplet shuffle in a drum app, bass app, and melody app. Since that's the basis of every blues song.
All the iOS daws will work like a multitrack tape deck if you don't quantize. About as old school as you can get.
As I don't have Patterning, Model 15, iPiano, or Loopy, I can't answer that exact question. I can, however, help you with "simple" and "12 bar blues", because I just did it. I created a 12 bar section in GarageBand at 110 bpm. Added a Drummer track, using "Mason". With a kick, snare, and hi hat activated, 1/8 Swing Heavy turned on (that's important), hi hat slider up to 2 (also important, otherwise you won't have 8th notes to swing), and Fill slider up about halfway, I had a more than acceptable drum track over which I could lay down some bass, piano, rhythm and lead guitar, etc. I happen to really like the Liverpool bass in GarageBand, but you could certainly record bass (and piano) from another app into GarageBand using Audiobus, or record it within GarageBand as IAA or as an AU if the app supports it. Use the "External" instrument tab in GarageBand to do this. As far as guitar goes, there is an amp simulator in GarageBand that I've never used, but it looks really easy to jump into. It is also accessed by scrolling through the instrument tabs..
I tend to think that doing as much as you can in one app (in this case GarageBand) is the easiest and least stressful way to proceed. In the example above, I really think your drums, bass, and guitars could all be done in GarageBand, with very high quality. As I'm not fond of the GB pianos, I'd use a piano from a different app and record it into GB using Audiobus.
Hope that helps some, even if I can't do a video.
Quantizing is fine. But I'm not even at that point. How do I just create a sync'd shuffle? I'd be happy learning that as step 1.
Loopy records audio, so only patterning needs any feel specifically added or indicated. You'd play model 15 and any other app with that fell into loopy. If you need midi then you need a sequencer, which would have triplet quantize.
I don't have patterning, but there's no triplet quantization in it? If there is, you'd use that, maybe along with a shuffle control. You are specifically trying to make it sound like a drum machine or do you want to give the impression its a real drummer?
What I'm getting at is that the combination of apps you are talking about doesn't really make sense in terms of the question, there's nothing to sync up, once you record loops into loopy that you like, they'll remain in sync.
If you want those apps to be playing live and not into loopy, with the exciting of your guitar, then I don't believe that's possible. No matter what, you'll need something to capture the end product.
If that makes no sense at all then I don't know, either I completely misunderstand or the answer you are looking for is not possible.
Thanks, I've gotten that far too. I'm trying to grow and add some more to the track.
I'm starting to get the feeling that either I'm not explaining my goal properly, or it's just not possible, which is why people aren't grasping my question. My ultimate goal is making blues covers using electronic instruments.
To start, if Model 15 were my only instrument, could I make a cover of Sweet Home Chicago?
After that could I add a drum beat? Once those are sync'd I'd add a piano melody. Once those are playing, I'd pick up the guitar and play over the mix.
A lot of apps have swing parameters which can help give a shuffle feel. I come from an acoustic background and if I was trying to do what youre trying to do, I'd rely more on just playing parts the way you want them to sound.
What are you recording to? You can make a cover of sweet home Chicago with model 15, check out the moog cookbook, they basically did that (with real moogs). Wendy Carlos also with switched on Bach.
You need to record to something - if you're doing midi and step programming then do it with a triplet setting, if you're playing live into loopy then play with a triplet feel.
Speaking of which, check more soundtest room videos then because he never does four on the floor dance tracks as far as I know. I've heard plenty of prog rock and 80's.
You can do it on gadget though if you want, again just use triplets and shuffle.
Everything you just said is what I m trying to learn.
I know they have to go somewhere, I can stream to Cubasis.
I'm subscribed to the sound test room on youtube, and that was the catalyst of this post. I like the content he covers, but not the music he uses to do so. I'm learning these apps exist, but I'm not learning to use them to make the music I enjoy.
I want the sound test room that makes blues tracks, not dance tracks. The exact same apps covered in the exact same manner, but just with a different end product.
To be honest im not sure patterning is the right choice of drum app for these genres.... Maybe soft drummer, funk drummer or rock drummer would be better....
But there's no difference then, just do what he does but play blues. Do you mean you don't know how to stream between apps? That's a different story.