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New Art Kerns app midiFILTr-pg is live

Another MIDI effect for AB3
midiFILTr-PG Probability Gate MIDI Effect by Arthur Kerns
https://appsto.re/dk/TZ8fjb.i

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  • Can anyone tell me if the different modes can work simultaneously?

  • @Philippe said:
    Can anyone tell me if the different modes can work simultaneously?

    Haven't had the chance to try it out yet. But the manual might give you the answer:
    http://artkerns.com/midiFILTr-PG-manual-1.0.pdf

  • One mode at a time, thanks.

  • @DeVlaeminck said:

    @Philippe said:
    Can anyone tell me if the different modes can work simultaneously?

    Haven't had the chance to try it out yet. But the manual might give you the answer:
    http://artkerns.com/midiFILTr-PG-manual-1.0.pdf

    "You can only use one mode at a time, so choose wisely." ... it appears not.

    But looks interesting to me anyway.

  • edited April 2017

    I like this. Can you use more than one instance?
    eg in a different midi pipeline

  • @Carnbot said:
    I like this. Can you use more than one instance?
    eg in a different midi pipeline

    I took a punt and it seems to be one instance only across all pipelines.

    Took a while for it to show up in the AB3 effects slot but it gets there in the end.

    I like the pseudo-randomly evolving stuff so I think I'll get some mileage out of this.

    Multiple instances would be welcomed though ...

  • @TheVimFuego said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I like this. Can you use more than one instance?
    eg in a different midi pipeline

    I took a punt and it seems to be one instance only across all pipelines.

    Took a while for it to show up in the AB3 effects slot but it gets there in the end.

    I like the pseudo-randomly evolving stuff so I think I'll get some mileage out of this.

    Multiple instances would be welcomed though ...

    @TheVimFuego said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I like this. Can you use more than one instance?
    eg in a different midi pipeline

    I took a punt and it seems to be one instance only across all pipelines.

    Took a while for it to show up in the AB3 effects slot but it gets there in the end.

    I like the pseudo-randomly evolving stuff so I think I'll get some mileage out of this.

    Multiple instances would be welcomed though ...

    Thanks, yeah I'm not sure why that's not possible by default as it's not IAA and midiflow filters can do it.
    Midi learn would be nice too.

    No doubt I will get this later though :)

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Fun?

    Alas I am in no position for a scientific consumer test as I am several pints/cocktails/wines into my Friday/Saturday.

    Could this explain my snap purchase? Maybe ... I can see how this could selectively jazz up my stuff though.

    One instance only does take the shine off a tad ...

  • @TheVimFuego said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Fun?

    Alas I am in no position for a scientific consumer test as I am several pints/cocktails/wines into my Friday/Saturday.

    Could this explain my snap purchase? Maybe ... I can see how this could selectively jazz up my stuff though.

    One instance only does take the shine off a tad ...

    Have a few more pints/cocktails/wines........load it up again, and it will at least look like you have multiple instances of it :D

    This is the sort of util that really should be multi instance and with the probability controllable by MIDI so you can have it filtering out notes on multiple tracks, and then use the MIDI control to reduce the amount of filtering it is doing as the song pregresses.
    I will often start with a very busy loop using a few gadgets or tracks in ModStep, and then start copying and stripping notes and parts out to get some sort of build up....this with multi instances would enable that to be automated to an extent.

  • @TheVimFuego said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Fun?

    Alas I am in no position for a scientific consumer test as I am several pints/cocktails/wines into my Friday/Saturday.

    Looks at timestamp
    Reads 9:36 am CST
    ...

    My kinda guy. Enjoy the weekend!

    As for the app, instabuy for the Art Kerns brand name. Seems right up my alley too, plus a reason to drag AB3 back out.

  • @oat_phipps said:

    @TheVimFuego said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Fun?

    Alas I am in no position for a scientific consumer test as I am several pints/cocktails/wines into my Friday/Saturday.

    Looks at timestamp
    Reads 9:36 am CST
    ...

    My kinda guy. Enjoy the weekend!

    As for the app, instabuy for the Art Kerns brand name. Seems right up my alley too, plus a reason to drag AB3 back out.

    Have a feeling our friend Mister Vim is closer to Queensland than Queens :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @TheVimFuego said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Fun?

    Alas I am in no position for a scientific consumer test as I am several pints/cocktails/wines into my Friday/Saturday.

    Could this explain my snap purchase? Maybe ... I can see how this could selectively jazz up my stuff though.

    One instance only does take the shine off a tad ...

    Have a few more pints/cocktails/wines........load it up again, and it will at least look like you have multiple instances of it :D

    This is the sort of util that really should be multi instance and with the probability controllable by MIDI so you can have it filtering out notes on multiple tracks, and then use the MIDI control to reduce the amount of filtering it is doing as the song pregresses.
    I will often start with a very busy loop using a few gadgets or tracks in ModStep, and then start copying and stripping notes and parts out to get some sort of build up....this with multi instances would enable that to be automated to an extent.

    Agreed. Must be developed further towards AB3, with similar technology as Johannes Dörr's MIDI fx to obtain multiple instances, due to the fact that AU's are not allowed to send MIDI. Of course 3 seperate apps each performing one mode could work...

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @TheVimFuego said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Fun?

    Alas I am in no position for a scientific consumer test as I am several pints/cocktails/wines into my Friday/Saturday.

    Looks at timestamp
    Reads 9:36 am CST
    ...

    My kinda guy. Enjoy the weekend!

    As for the app, instabuy for the Art Kerns brand name. Seems right up my alley too, plus a reason to drag AB3 back out.

    Have a feeling our friend Mister Vim is closer to Queensland than Queens :)

    Indeed so, 12:30am was my time stamp.

    Now, what did I buy? :D

  • Played with this a bit. Good fun but yes hope it gets midi learn and if it could have multiple channel support liike midisteps then you could use it in different pipelines .
    Although not sure of the technical stuff around the filters

  • @DeVlaeminck said:
    Another MIDI effect for AB3
    midiFILTr-PG Probability Gate MIDI Effect by Arthur Kerns
    https://appsto.re/dk/TZ8fjb.i

    Thx! Looks like a very intelligent/elegant tool again ...

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  • I like this app. I'm just using it standalone and in Modstep, but does what it does well and easy. Most sequences I've thrown at it worked well. However, it doesn't appear to work with Oscilab midi out for some reason. Different kind of midi in Oscilab?

  • Skiphunt did you select a midi output mf adapter 1 channel#1 in the ""synth"" section.

  • edited April 2017

    @werd said:
    Skiphunt did you select a midi output mf adapter 1 channel#1 in the ""synth"" section.

    I did. Set the midi out to channel 1 midiFILTr-pg in Oscilab, set midiFILTr-pg input to be Oscilab, and set the Redshrike synth to only accept the midiFILTr-pg output. No sound.

    For every other midi source I've tried, this has worked well. But get this... I just tried again, but this time I set the input in midiFILTr-pg to be "midiFILTr-pg IN" instead of Oscilab, and the output of midiFILTr-pg pointing at Redshrike... and it works!

    That setup doesn't make sense, but it's working and I can hear the various probability gate changes.

    I wonder why the setup had to be different in Oscilab than all of my other midi sequence sources?

  • edited April 2017

    That setup makes perfectly good sense, there's lots of apps that work like that.

    If you think about it it's the same way Audiobus works.

    However if you set the output port in Oscilab to Oscilab then you can set the import port in midiFILTr-PG to Oscilab

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    That setup makes perfectly good sense, there's lots of apps that work like that.

    If you think about it it's the same way Audiobus works.

    However if you set the output port in Oscilab to Oscilab then you can set the import port in midiFILTr-PG to Oscilab

    Weird. I don't get why/how this works like this, but why do all of the other midi sources I've tried so far (at least half a dozen) all require that I set the specific midi source in midiFILTr-pg and the output in midiFILTr-pg to be the target?

    Not arguing, but curious why Oscilab routing would be different than all the rest in this regard.

  • edited April 2017

    Well you may find that if those 1/2 dozen don't let you plug their output into the input of another app (and or vice versa) then there will be combinations of apps you can't use.

    I think for example that the new AB3 midiflow filters require that.

    I further think that Apple didn't specify how midi connections should be made sufficiently tightly, so a number of different approaches developed. If we're lucky AB3 midi might make all clear if enough apps climb on board.

  • Reslice on special BTW

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    Well you may find that if those 1/2 dozen don't let you plug their output into the input of another app (and or vice versa) then there will be combinations of apps you can't use.

    I think for example that the new AB3 midiflow filters require that.

    I further think that Apple didn't specify how midi connections should be made sufficiently tightly, so a number of different approaches developed. If we're lucky AB3 midi might make all clear if enough apps climb on board.

    Ah! Roundtrip... that kind of makes sense now. Liking this little midiFILTr-pg app though. The Modstep use @d4d0ug mentioned is very cool too. Glad I bit. :)

  • @skiphunt said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Well you may find that if those 1/2 dozen don't let you plug their output into the input of another app (and or vice versa) then there will be combinations of apps you can't use.

    I think for example that the new AB3 midiflow filters require that.

    I further think that Apple didn't specify how midi connections should be made sufficiently tightly, so a number of different approaches developed. If we're lucky AB3 midi might make all clear if enough apps climb on board.

    Ah! Roundtrip... that kind of makes sense now. Liking this little midiFILTr-pg app though. The Modstep use @d4d0ug mentioned is very cool too. Glad I bit. :)

    Round tripping works well with ModStep ABS, Core Midi Adapter and randomisers.....even on multiple instruments....just having an issue where it doesn't all get saved so i have to setup the Midi Adapters and randomisers again each time.

    What I have found mroe difficult is using say Modstep as source, through AB3 Adapter/ filters and then onto Gadget....it works just using Gadget as a soundsource, but i cannot get syncronised record/playback in order to easily record the output midi into gadget. Still trying though, i'm thinking now that maybe if I use my circuit as the play button then both ModStep and Gadget may start in sync.

    Currently I cannot load ModStep into AB3 (Midi or Audio) so cannot use the AB toolbar to do it.

  • edited April 2017

    Having a bizarre problem with midifiltr-pg that I can't figure out. Thought I'd run it by the peeps before I contact the dev in case I'm missing something obvious.

    I installed midifiltr-pg on my Air 2 the other day and it worked great right out of the gate. I've played around with it enough now to know I've got it set up correctly for a variety of different apps.

    Now, I'm trying it out on an iPhone SE and it's not working properly. I set up my source to send midi to midifiltr-pg. In this case Arpist. I set up my synth to receive from midifiltr-pg. But I'm not getting sound at all. Or, rather... I am getting sound but it's extremely faint. If I put my ear up to the speaker I can tell it's generating sound and that midifiltr-pg is effecting the sequence, but you can barely hear it. If I quit out of midifiltr-pg, the synth's volume is high were it's supposed to be. This ONLY happens using midifiltr-pg. I've deleted/reinstalled it. And I've done a hard reset.

    I've also tried several other midi sequence sources and synths. Always the same, and isolated to just the use of midifiltr-pg. It works perfect on the iPad though. While I was turning stuff off and on in desperation, I briefly got audio at normal volume using midifiltr-pg, but it only lasted about 2 seconds.

    Any clues as to what might be going on or something I might have set wrong?

    FYI: I'm using it standalone and not in AB3

  • edited April 2017

    @skiphunt said:
    Having a bizarre problem with midifiltr-pg that I can't figure out. Thought I'd run it by the peeps before I contact the dev in case I'm missing something obvious.

    I installed midifiltr-pg on my Air 2 the other day and it worked great right out of the gate. I've played around with it enough now to know I've got it set up correctly for a variety of different apps.

    Now, I'm trying it out on an iPhone SE and it's not working properly. I set up my source to send midi to midifiltr-pg. In this case Arpist. I set up my synth to receive from midifiltr-pg. But I'm not getting sound at all. Or, rather... I am getting sound but it's extremely faint. If I put my ear up to the speaker I can tell it's generating sound and that midifiltr-pg is effecting the sequence, but you can barely hear it. If I quit out of midifiltr-pg, the synth's volume is high were it's supposed to be. This ONLY happens using midifiltr-pg. I've deleted/reinstalled it. And I've done a hard reset.

    I've also tried several other midi sequence sources and synths. Always the same, and isolated to just the use of midifiltr-pg. It works perfect on the iPad though. While I was turning stuff off and on in desperation, I briefly got audio at normal volume using midifiltr-pg, but it only lasted about 2 seconds.

    Any clues as to what might be going on or something I might have set wrong?

    FYI: I'm using it standalone and not in AB3

    Just had a quick test on SE and it does work for me but it's not always obvious which ports to set up so a lot easier in AB3. Which synth are you using?
    I was getting some erratic behaviour on ones where you couldn't easily select the right port. I think there could be some issue when it's in the background as sometimes it disconnects or hangs.

    Yes definitely has issues when in the background for me, so confirmed there seems to be bugs.

    Have you tried in AB3 on the SE?

  • @Carnbot said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Having a bizarre problem with midifiltr-pg that I can't figure out. Thought I'd run it by the peeps before I contact the dev in case I'm missing something obvious.

    I installed midifiltr-pg on my Air 2 the other day and it worked great right out of the gate. I've played around with it enough now to know I've got it set up correctly for a variety of different apps.

    Now, I'm trying it out on an iPhone SE and it's not working properly. I set up my source to send midi to midifiltr-pg. In this case Arpist. I set up my synth to receive from midifiltr-pg. But I'm not getting sound at all. Or, rather... I am getting sound but it's extremely faint. If I put my ear up to the speaker I can tell it's generating sound and that midifiltr-pg is effecting the sequence, but you can barely hear it. If I quit out of midifiltr-pg, the synth's volume is high were it's supposed to be. This ONLY happens using midifiltr-pg. I've deleted/reinstalled it. And I've done a hard reset.

    I've also tried several other midi sequence sources and synths. Always the same, and isolated to just the use of midifiltr-pg. It works perfect on the iPad though. While I was turning stuff off and on in desperation, I briefly got audio at normal volume using midifiltr-pg, but it only lasted about 2 seconds.

    Any clues as to what might be going on or something I might have set wrong?

    FYI: I'm using it standalone and not in AB3

    Just had a quick test on SE and it does work for me but it's not always obvious which ports to set up so a lot easier in AB3. Which synth are you using?
    I was getting some erratic behaviour on ones where you couldn't easily select the right port. I think there could be some issue when it's in the background as sometimes it disconnects or hangs.

    Yes definitely has issues when in the background for me, so confirmed there seems to be bugs.

    Have you tried in AB3 on the SE?

    I don't have AB3. I'm good with AUM and AB2 for now.

    Tried several synths, Animoog, Redshrike, TF8, Reslice, Sensual Sax, etc. Tried several midi sources Arpist, Refraktions, Quincy, Xynthesizr, etc.

    Doesn't appear to matter if it's in the background or not. And I CAN hear some faint output. If I mess with the volume buttons every now and then (rarely) the audio level will pop up to where it's supposed to be for a very few seconds, then the audio fades out completely.

    This ONLY happens when using midifiltr-pg. If quit out of it, everything works properly and midi gets sent to whichever synth I target. Volume is fine.

    I couldn't find any email address on the dev's website. Only twitter and YouTube. I sent messages to both but have not got a reply.

  • Hey, I'll fix this iPhone audio problem. In the mean time you might be able to work around it by plugging in headphones if your phone has an audio jack, or putting the synths you're using in to the audio part of Audiobus 2 or 3. Not sure exactly what is causing the problem but it seems to be iPhone speaker and/or audio rate related. midiFILTr doesn't generate audio but has to set some things up to work properly with background audio, core midi, and Audiobus. Probably something is being set up wrong with the iPhone when AB isn't being used.

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