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My iphone6s plus runs Gadget more smoothly than my MacBook Air 2014
True story...
I have 24 track tune I'm working on and the laptop crackles and distorts where the iPhone holds up ok.
I'm not particularly complaining (and I'm enjoying Gadget on my laptop) - but I think it's an interesting (unscientific) discovery.
Gotta love making music on the iPhone (plus). The future is definitely now.
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No surprise to me. I'm really conviced about Apple's strategy of "slow macOS to the point iOS can catch it". There are improvements in desktop but slowly and shorten than iOS... and it's justified to Intel slow down updates cicles lacking the mac since the macintel era (even being better option than PPC) and ARM proposition as PRO...
Idk what they are going to do with the PRO desktop line (since they are blablaing to calm angry users) but my gut is the render needs of pro users will be a cloud computing service in some future which will not require desktop hardware in the end user point (like the nvidia cloud gaming...)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cloud-gaming.html
So, it seems legit to me that in some point iOS device with optimized apps will be equal to desktop mac counterpart. Then Apple will release a iOS PRO (first steps are the dedicated options like smart connector and pencil) with some solution to file/folders needs (swift and APFS are another steps in the same direction) without previous warning (and lots of "it won't never happen" like macintel rumours or ARM macbook air, etc etc...) until release and wham!
New "revolutionary" improvement nobody expects...
(Desktop) Macs have become absolute garbage for music production. Straight garbage. From being at the top (with the old "silver" MacPro) to the bottom. The OS is still nice, hackintosh is my preferred option right now.
I don't even feel pity for the schmucks who shell out money for ridiculously overpriced mac desktop hardware, and get a 4-core cpu, a tiny ssd and freaking 8 GB of RAM for ridiculous money.
And no, making music on the phone is not the future. It is fun when you're sitting on a plane, but that's it. There is no such thing as excessive computing power in music production. You simply cannot have enough horsepower, by our current standards.
@Dubbylabby
who is the target demograpic? Who is gonna buy that? Among my clients are several architectural offices. I don't see them running their CAD-Applications on tablets any time soon. All they do is showcase their work on them, and i'm even having a hard time convincing them to use them in the field on construction sites etc.
When was the last time, apple pulled something truly revolutionary? Steve has been gone for a long time now.
Not surprised. If you were expecting a WOW! Moment... I saw this coming a mille away.
My iPad Pro beats my MacBook (from 2014 as well) Easily.
I can run Logic, with Maschine as a plug in and a gazillilion fx and synths going at the same time without a hiccup and zero latency, from my non-retina 2012 MacBook Pro, with non SSD hard drive.
If I load ElasticDrums and a couple of synths on my Air 2 ED bombs out.
I think it's down to poor code, not the device.
Same on my imac
This is on Korg. That's why i'm not using Gadget anymore on iOS. It's cpu hungry to an unacceptable degree considering what the guys making Sunvox and Caustic respectively are able to accomplish
Software bloat is a pet peeve of mine and Korg should be capable of making Gadget lean and optimised, they choose not to do it
The last sentence says it all...
I still remember my first computer, an Commodore Vic20 in 1982, that got 3.5 Kb RAM, and, with exceptional assemblercode developer could make amazing things with that few kilobytes!
But, we have this kind of developer on iOS also - with Jonatan Liljegren in the front (my personally opinion)...
There's a few more, like Bram Bos and Rolf that make amazing code.
To be honest I'm not surprised at all...
I have 1,3Ghz i5 2013 MacBook Air and my iPad Air 2 feels a lot faster at certain tasks.
Sure I can't run LPX on the iPad (yet?) but I have a ton of other goodies on the iPad that are not available for macOS.
I've always found Macs pointless. This seems to galvanise my opinion even more. Let's hope they release an 8gb ram iPad pro soon
Well the whole CAD thing is lacking on osx. There is archicad and autocad for mac, but professionals who do use autocad, often use it using 3rd party plugins that i dont think are made for mac as well(as nearly everyone uses windows in the field and they are developed to be really expensive, but not used by many), and those who use archicad on mac most likely doesent run it on their work desktop because they most likely need other only windows compatible software on it as well.
And when it comes to ios and tablets in general, CAD programs need a REALLY powerful GPU to be able to run large projects(which professionals usually do), also keyboard and mouse are too valuable to let go in the design process. There are tons of different cad file viewers, that lets you do add notes etc for ios(autocad has a great set of apps for this), and also a few design apps, but those are so crappy that no professional would ever use them(and its easier to draw on paper if you just want a sketch pad).
But at least where i live using tablets on construction sites is getting more and more popular. Even many of the bigger local project bank companies have an tablet app that can be and are getting more and more used on the construction sites.
And who would want to use a cloud based GPU? Well if it would be good enough, design companies using CAD. Like if you have a large firm with lets say 50 computers being in active CAD use and one computers GPU can cost 3 grand. Thats a lot of money to be saved by sharing one ultra powerful GPU on a server, and can even give better results as its not rendering for everyone at the same time. But then again i kinda doubt that powerful enough GPU will exist in the near future, or building this sort of GPU server things for companies be worth it due to there being so little amount of customers, so profits from the deal would have to be so huge for nvidia(or who ever building it), that it wouldnt be worth it for their customers(as installing this sort of systems can cost quite a bit as well, especially if there are 50 computers involved).
I thought so too before i looked at them more closely and decided to get one, now i wouldnt get a windows computer for my personal use. I also now get why a mac costs quite a bit more than some cheaply built windows laptop with same horsepower, and i think it really is worth it if you can squeeze the extra money for it. Or well it is worth it for the MBPs, but the low end laptops i think are quite a bit overpriced if you care about performance at all, but if you only care about other stuff and just use it for browsing etc, then they can be worth it for some who dont mind putting the extra for luxury OS, build quality, quality screen etc.
Im pretty sure that the gadget doesent run so well on the air laptop because there is some difference in code, maybe they use different sample rates or something else. But then again mid2014air is one of the lower end machines and running other stuff more on the background, so could be possible that the iphone 6 can really run gadget smoother.
Lol. That's where you and me differ. I owned a Mac. Will never own one again. I prefer building my own desktops. Can get windows to pretty much do what I want. Just strip out the bits that you find unnecessary. Windows 7 stripped down to just essential services on an SSd works marvelously. Specially for ableton being used in tandem with my iPad or hardware synths.
The nVidia Cloud technology is a gamechanger in this regard, especially for renderings! But i don't see it making tablets viable in the design process, like you've outlined perfectly.
The Tesla Cards are very expensive, i've actually looked into building servers with one or two of these cards, but couldn't sell them so far :-)
Idk just seen a solution that fits in actual Apple "lacks" and makes sense against Amazon and VOD (in example) then you go further with IA and it helps in render but also curates the process as JARVIS... why not? All these brands seem go in that direction...
The discrepancy in pure CPU Horsepower between windows and macs is getting bigger and bigger. GPUs just don't translate to audio processing at all, that's why the current MacPro is a joke for audio.
And the prices for the mac desktops are ridiculous. You can build the finest rig with top quality components, outperform the mac by a factor of nearly 100% and still be in the same price range....
MY IPHONE 7 PLUS RUNS ALL MY APPS BETTER THAN MY IPAD AIR 1 AND 2.
The A9 processor in your phone is comparable to the i5 in your Macbook Air. Another factor is that IOS has a lot less overhead than Mac OSX. I would be curious to see how Mac Gadget performs with an external audio interface.
MacBook Airs are made more for convenience than performance though.
Yeah... no surprises there, it's faster than both Pro models as well. the next iPad models will be faster than the iPhone 7 and 8 but the iPhone that comes after that will be faster and then iPad that comes after that will be faster... and so on.
that's the way it works.
I just can compare my iPhone 6S plus against my Macbook Pro 15" from late 2013 (the entree 2.0 GHz i7 quad with 8 GB ram).
While my iPhone 6S plus can handle some stuff my macbook can handle so much more that i sometimes can´t believe it. 100 arpeggiated synths from Logic at the same time, no problem but there are also single plug-ins which i can run only 1-2 instance and that with multi core processing (like Kaleidoscope).
The macbook Air is a bit underpowered anyway.
IOS devices are up to mediocre laptops but nowhere near to workhouse notebooks (desktops are even another league of course).
While iOS devices raised faster up it now slows down. They change from 3 to dual-core and kind of little-big and whatever. What counts is the real life performance and ARM is not bad as single core performance but can´t handle proper multi-core and multi-threading.
If i wouldn´t like and need Logic Pro, i would use windows as well maybe. Also some of the new 2-1 looks really good and are powerful (with i7) and not much more expensive as a maxed out iPad Pro.
AMD Ryzen might kick Intel in the ass (at least i hope that).
At the end they are very different platforms for different things and mostly it´s just bad if a tool get ported.
But Sunvox runs on every thing in the universe
Depends on your needs. Most of my apps were 100% designed, developed and managed on my Air '15. It feels zippy enough for anything I throw at it, including light video editing or editing dozens of hires photos simultaneously. I guess 'underpowered' is a relative notion
Of course. I mean for the really heavy stuff like 512 tuned resonators and such.
Like i said, i can run pretty great stuff on my current iPhone.
F.e. the intern Logic stuff is really low on cpu but can compete with a lot of the big players to buy out there.
But of course all preferences. I can´t have enough cpu power. I wish those quantum computers would be already there and the slow cpu power increases wouldn´t hold back some developers with new tools only possible on NASA supercomputers or so