Troublemaker auv3.. Is it missing stuff??

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So..I got my new iPhone..installed GarageBand..absolutely loving alchemy within it and I bought troublemaker..

Now..where are most of the features? As standalone , it seems troublemaker has far more to it..:(

gonekrazy3000

i think the only thing its missing is its sequencer. but that's expected.

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gonekrazy3000

@d4d0ug said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
i think the only thing its missing is its sequencer. but that's expected.

But but beathawk AU has a sequencer...

and your point is ?

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Carnbot

It would nice to have it but the developer said the AU UI screen space was the main reason it wasn't included. Perhaps one day

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bigcatrik

One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

wim

Indeed it would be cool, but so far @brambos has been against it. Oh well, life goes on!

gusgranite

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

Does that mean you cannot use the variations/mutations in the AU plus MIDI?

gusgranite

@gusgranite said:

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

Does that mean you cannot use the variations/mutations in the AU plus MIDI?

Oh, I guess it has to be one long MIDI take with the variations. Then go through the whole take again and apply the cutoff and resonance, etc. That's a shame if so.

lukesleepwalker

@gusgranite said:

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

Does that mean you cannot use the variations/mutations in the AU plus MIDI?

Alas, no. And that's the secret best feature of troublemaker! @brambos did say in a recent post that he'd consider setting up the TM sequencer as a MIDI generator in AB3--that would do the trick quite nicely!

brambos

Short answer: I tried to design the sequencer inside, but it didn't fit (and paging, panning, tabbing nor scrolling could make it work in the minimum available space in any userfriendly way - especially on phones).

gusgranite

@brambos said:
Short answer: I tried to design the sequencer inside, but it didn't fit (and paging, panning, tabbing nor scrolling could make it work in the minimum available space in any userfriendly way - especially on phones).

Sorry - you've probably had to explain this over and over. I'm not using AUs much until I upgrade my iPad so wasn't sure how it worked with Troublemaker. It's still probably my favourite app though!

brambos

Conceptually, it is up to the AU host to provide the sequencer for the AU plugin. The plugin just provides the controls for manipulating the sound. Hence the AU is only allotted a narrow letterbox-shaped part of the screen; this allows the host to show its sequencer simultaneously above or below the AU's GUI.

Problem is, until we have the perfect AU-hosting sequencer in our hands it's a bit tricky to defend this concept. Still, I made the design decision to not sacrifice user experience. When I claim my plugin is universal, it also means 'usable on any compatible device'. I could not live up to this on iPod Touches and regular-sized iPhones (and even on iPads the letterbox format was a bit too narrow for comfort).

skiphunt

@brambos could you give the standalone TM, midi out so that we could send it to multiple instances of TM AUs, as well other synths?

brambos

@skiphunt said:
@brambos could you give the standalone TM, midi out so that we could send it to multiple instances of TM AUs, as well other synths?

As soon as the AB3 SDK is available to developers I will look into the possibility of making the standalone TM sequencer an AB MIDI generator.

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Can the midi be exported to GarageBand and opened in a troublemaker auv3 track? If so, please tell me how

Thanx

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

Samu

For Me it has become almost 'second-nature' to manually paint overlapping notes for glides and velocity above 100 for accents when using TroubleMaker

gonekrazy3000

@Love3quency said:
Can the midi be exported to GarageBand and opened in a troublemaker auv3 track? If so, please tell me how

Thanx

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

@bigcatrik said:
One of the workflows for Troublemaker is to make a sequence in the full version, export the MIDI and use that in Cubasis (e.g.) to trigger its AU version, and it will sound identical.

Still, I too wish the sequencer (with mutations!) was there in the AU.

I'm not sure garage band even has midi import. Could be wrong though....

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@brambos said:

@skiphunt said:
@brambos could you give the standalone TM, midi out so that we could send it to multiple instances of TM AUs, as well other synths?

As soon as the AB3 SDK is available to developers I will look into the possibility of making the standalone TM sequencer an AB MIDI generator.

This. This. This.

That would be amazing... it's the best morphing sequencer going.

Having this on your bass line and FutureDrummer on your drums. You could just sit back and enjoy the wow.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Can you even get more than 2 bars exported out as midi?

And I wasn't experiencing the dynamic morphing having much effect on the exported midi when I tried.

I'd love to be able to export 16 or more bars of midi that has the morph over time. But I didn't think this was possible.

lukesleepwalker

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
That would be amazing... it's the best morphing sequencer going.

Absolutely the case. And I haven't been able to capture the morphing MIDI because there's no MIDI out.

bigcatrik

With mutations on, each MIDI export is different. I had 7 beats in the sequencer and it exported a 2-bar phrase with 28 (4x7) beats each time, but each repetition of those 7 beats had mutation variations within the export, and each export was unique.

srcer

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@brambos said:

@skiphunt said:
@brambos could you give the standalone TM, midi out so that we could send it to multiple instances of TM AUs, as well other synths?

As soon as the AB3 SDK is available to developers I will look into the possibility of making the standalone TM sequencer an AB MIDI generator.

This. This. This.

That would be amazing... it's the best morphing sequencer going.

Having this on your bass line and FutureDrummer on your drums. You could just sit back and enjoy the wow.

+1