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You can get similar sounds, but software synths wont sound exactly the same as high end analog synths.
Yes, some soft synths sound better
Yea, well thats a matter of opinion, thats why i just said that they dont sound the same. You cant get all the sounds from analog gear that you can with digital, but digital doesent sound 100% like analog, even tho most digital synths try to replicate the analog sound. Especially the filters(especially on sweeps) can sound a lot more lively on analog.
That is just silly. And in a lot of cases, it is just about the money. There is nothing wrong not being able to/not wanting to spend that money on hardware synths. But to deny, that they just sound better than their software emulations is just silly.
There are great soft synths, and it is awesome to have great sounding apps for 10 bucks on my iPad. But if you can't hear the difference between a beautiful analog filter/overdrive/tape and an emulation, then you're either dishonest, or much better off with the emulation
Sweeping filters is a matter of control.
When I compared Imaginando's DRC VST against the app, the latter was much smoother.
Since @sinosoidal insisted that both act exactly the same I setup a proper envelope for the sweep, recorded both versions and stood corrected.
The result in manual handling (dial by mouse/sweeping finger) was sonically very different.
I guess this is an important aspect of pure analog control with dials and voltages, too.
The Moog Rogue I own (on the very low end of the Moog quality spectrum, if not the lowest [and cheapest synth they've ever released, afaik] still blows away any bass on iOS. The pure thump, the full filter and resonance, the ever so slight analog noise.
Love the breadth of sounds on iOS, but it's not the same. More important to me isn't trying to detect what's 'real' or not in a mix, I'm not a snob; but just the pure joy of playing a live instrument and not a set of dummy keys.
Unfortunately, an OB6 runs about $2k more than I've spent on iOS synths and music over the past 2.5 years.
I'm waiting for someone to make wooden side panels for my iPad so it feels more like a Moog
I mean that you get often more on top of the emulations. F.e. Repro-1 has a lot awesome FX too on top of a very acurate Pro-1 emulation.
For me hardware is a waste of money these days.
But everyone to his/her likings.
Anyway these endless analog vs. software discussions are silly!
Mostly people just hear a different if they see the analog in front of them. In a blind test. Placebo?
IOS synths are still a bit more away from this.
It is also not possible to emulate an analog synth exactly because everyone can sound slightly different.
In general i would agree that hardware is great but it's so much more expensive to get a minor quality update in sound (if any). Just my opinion.
Don't be so harsh with people who doesn't agree with you. It doesn't help to be heard.
I also like that i don't need to tune the osc every few minutes.
Take it easy, life is too short and we better create stuff instead of bitching about minor things.
F.e. in a modular forum some people find that they like the sound of P900 more than of their hardware modular. But P900 is for sure one of the better modeled software.
So it's no fact that analog is always better. Sometimes....sure.
one of my favorites, a full analog production on a Tascam 8-track cassette with pure analog synths and drummies:
https://elsewhere.bandcamp.com/album/mrs-oscillator-her-pocket-calculator-limited-vinyl
not considering it an absolute benchmark, but interesting as a reference point for DAW based production, as the minimal paradim was a deliberate decision (according to the notes on the site)
A synth is a synth..those who say iOS synths are not as good are of course free to spend thousands on hardware...those who choose to use iOS and spend time learning now to make use of the many synths available on the platform are doing a great job of making music from what I've been hearing.
In my book the end result is indistinguishable from producers using other tools these days
Technology has advanced that much and the devs have done amazing work
Thx so much for this post!!! Great music! I'm currently hunting Tascams on ebay. So far i'm pretty much set on a 644 4-track with MIDI functionality. I just love that sound so much. I'm planning to use it with a multi I/O Audio Interface and maybe a usb/gameport d-sub 15 adapter to integrate it to the fullest in my setup. And yes, i'm aware of the headaches that this gonna cause me, that old hardware just brings with it
But, there is just nothing like tape overdrive and compression.
I just despise insincere arguments. You even admitted that it is about the money. And that is absolutely fine! You know, confirmation bias works in both ways. You can be convinced, that hardware doesn't sound much better and is too expensive, and you will hear that. Or you can be a snob, and dismiss software.
I try to trust my ears. Love great softsynths like u-he, or DRC, and am always impressed with how good they sound. But compared to what? The real thing.
Love the Oberheim sound...one of my favorite artists uses an 8-voice on almost everything:
The "problem" with all those old analog demos/videos is that you nearly never hear the pure synth. It´s always mangled trough other (hardware)effects, saturation, it´s layered with something else and whatever.
I mean i can layer 100 synths via software in seconds....another plus for me.
I really agree that hardware has something you won´t get with any software but i just think it´s not really a big gap anymore.
Still it´s interesting that "modern" software emulating 30-40 or 50 years old filters.
I wished more developers would try to make their very own sound (some did of course) with the same quality.
But maybe the old circuits really were the best ones we could get still today.
In the eurorack module scene there is a lot going on.....but out of my budget of course.
The "synth" i´m still mostly amazed at might be Sculpture. Because i find it just so unique and powerful but it´s very hard to get under control.
What i also find great are new synthesis forms like Waverazor offers (i think the developer also has a patent on it now) you won´t find in any hardware.
One thing I haven't heard mentioned here are the digital to analog converters.
Every stand alone synth has one, which has a lot to do with it's sound (presuming it's a digital synth).
Bypassing the iPad's consumer grade D to A with a great interface is going to get more "professional" results (dynamic range, signal to noise, etc). For me, when I plug into my iCA4+, the sound quality is sooooo much better.
Best quote ever, brilliant and so so very true
Yeah the analog synths don't need a DAC though. But, you're absolutely right, the DACs are a major part of the chain, and i like FM4 for the reason, that it emulates a nasty old DAC. And it sounds really good.
I'll see if I can cobble something together for you - tough with the kids sometimes....
talking to the developer now thanks
As a musician who specializes in acoustic guitar that has become, over the past few years, a bigtime ios synth user I can see both sides of the argument. Nothing comes close IMHO to matching the sounds a high end acoustic guitar on IOS or even on desktop daws. So i would never supplment it for the real thing.., however electric guitar and synths are powered instruments so they are far easier to replicate. Sometimes when i see pure analog synth players with their massive rigs and wall sized moogs... i get a little envious... BUT... as Alan Parsons quote says... too many people get fixated on having that ideal sound.... when... at the end of the day, the instrument or ios synth is merely the tool used to create a song. Sometimes a child's xylophone may be more apt for a particular song then a professional one.
I think the truth is that most of us are beyond spoiled to have the ability to hookup a cheap keyboard and play animoog, gadget or model 15. If you focus primarily on the music and don't get too wrapped up in trying to get the perfect tone, then you'll be amazed what you can do on your ipad.
I'm in complete awe of how incredible an ipad pro (big) is for recording music.... we're all so spoiled so lets enjoy!
Really good post! Thanks. I agree I'm spoiled, I've so much to be thankful for. For wonderful parents who let me pursue my art and music dreams.And on top of all that so many opportunities to make music and art everyday. Truly lucky and fortunate I am
Drc, layr, imini, mood can all make bass sounds like this
Header for a YouTube video: While I agree with the video's sentiment, I'm not sure this guy NEEDS to buy another keyboard!
Yeah, I'm late to the thread and didn't read it all (busy producing a track actually), but I'm in the "get Model 15" boat.
Pretty sure model 15 can easily replicate these sounds. At least they're extremely close to my ears. Feeding it directly into ableton via the ica4+ bypassing the da converters it sounds sublime.
Thanks for your input. In fact I want to say a proper thanks to everyone for chiming in on this thread but for now..
'Minimoog' -- do you mean the iMini app? I don't know of an app called Minimoog.
the Minimoog is a piece of hardware, a standard, THE synth on stage.
iMini is modelled after this gear, not my cup of tea because Arturia often fails with their claim of accuracy
Yes, iMini is not bad but i would say The Legend (Synapse Audio, no iOS tools sadly) is the best yet.
The Model 15 can have low end as well with added saturation etc. but there is a big different of resonance behavier especially if you close the filter very fast. Also the envelopes seems a bit faster (some like the word "snappy") on some Minimoog emulations.
I think Model 15 is build like the original first ones which also doesn't had the "oommmpf" from the Minimoog which had better filters (for my taste)
and envelopes.
Of course it isn't modular.
When i hear the Dagger filters i think Zeeon should be achieve a similar good low end also with high resonance.
Arturia plugins are a marketing hypejob to my ears. The CS80 sounds so boring and soulless...nothing ever impressed me from them.
The legend is amazing tho check it out
With all the updates mood keeps getting it's actually better than the minimoog to me now.