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I'm going to have video stuff going in a few months! But in the meantime, lmk if I can answer anything
Appreciate both bits of that
Hi everyone,
There are some video resources here:
(It's a 10 video playlist so if it only shows a single video you can also access it here by selecting "playlists")
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk73ZKCjtV0uPfxRybpcWpA
Also, AfroDJMac did a nice video walkthrough of Sonic Logic 4 years ago, it's a bit outdated but the essence is the same I think -
To answer some of your questions:
1. SL doesn't have a way of defining step values for a button (yet...)
2. Buttons can be setup as toggle or momentary with assignable on - off values.
3. Saving and Loading templates is easy (I think), you can also import and export templates through the standard iOS controls (airdrop, mail, notes etc...), Importing can be done by opening a "sociologic" file, or by dragging a file via iTunes to the app folder. In version 2.3 importing and exporting will also be possible via Sonic Logic Central making the process a bit easier.
I'm here for any questions you might have
Uri.
Hi
Is there a possibility to generate random values of controllers via a one button action in SL (as TBMidiStuff) ?
Thanks
Not at the moment but I'll add it to the wishlist... @Cristus
Uri.
Nice
Thamks
@Uri_Sonic_Logic Thanks for the vids. Will study.
Thanks Uri. How do you MIDI?
Well, more specifically, my primary use case would be controlling iOS apps, probably on another device. Loopers, Guitar sims, AUM ... I'm usually a pretty quick learner. How user friendly do you think your app is for folks who will mostly just trying to turn things on and off, select patches, mute and unmute AUM, adjust the faders on AUM ... For instance, would apps with Midi Learn be as easy to hook up to a custom board in Sonic Logic as they are to hardware controllers?
Good question(s).
Does Sonic Logic send or receive Midi clock? If so, can time based controls, be linked to bpm (beats and fractions thereof)? Any chance of Link support at some point?
I'll chime in. You open Sonic Logic blank template - Click Add - Choose a Button/Fader/Knob/ or X,Y Pad. So if you want a basic 0-127 Fader, you'd just Select Fader, then drag it on the GUI where you want, and drag it out to the size you want. If you want to do further editing, you just double tap the Fader when it's in Edit mode - then you can change its color, invert or set the fader range, Label it with text, and select whether to show its value or not - there's several Preset options for Momentary Controllers, Faders that Snap to the Middle... and others. For MIDI learning apps - you can put the App in MIDI Learn Mode, toggle back to SL, and move the controller - or in Edit mode you can tap the Broadcast Button, which also allows the receiving app to pick up the value - since its on the AB3 MIDI Bus - you can control anything you can reach on the FX/Output Slots, or use Core MIDI Adapter/Network Sessions etc. It's got BT-Midi, Virtual, Core, AB3 - all with indicator lights to show where the MIDI is going. You can duplicate any controller, with or without its MIDI Values, and have multiple screens.You can save/share presets via Open In options.
Far as I know, it doesn't handle clock/link - or Program Change. Hope this helps.
Thanks. Too bad about no timing source. That kinda limits the usefulness of time based controls. Oh well, gotta have it anyway I guess. Here goes...
Yep, at this point it's straight control surface. Parat+ has Link and a ton of modulation control, but it's only fader banks, and not a design tool. Midi Designer Pro and the other designers don't have Link either (MDP has deep design options like Roland Checksums and stuff like that, Lemur, Osc... But still plenty of room for a modular type control surface with quick options for rest of Midi messages, Osc, and automations. I'd really like to see an AU Control surface mappable to its host and/or external surfaces - with AB3-Remote Midi, that would be good utility, and fun. I'm hoping Sonic Logic will run with it, and think it's a great development both for, and resulting from, AB3.
Thank you @Ocsprey!
Mucho appreciado, @Ocsprey - I'm just certain at some time, some place, I could really use a custom 10 dollar Midi controller on an iPad
You got it brotha! https://youtu.be/Ivhcgskr4Yc
Thanks @Ocsprey for the awesome and detailed answers!
Yes at the moment Sonic Logic doesn't have MIDI in - this is mainly because of the bluetooth connection feature but it's on the feature list. I'll let you all know when it does.
Meanwhile version 2.2.2. update is out and 2.2.3 update is waiting for Apple's approval, both fixing minor issues.
@Uri_Sonic_Logic Posible to create a selectable number of controllers? Like 8 of the same faders etc.
You can always create one, duplicate it, group the two, duplicate that, group the four, and duplicate to get eight. Or create one and duplicate seven times if that's too complicated. A two-finger drag duplicates a component all in one step.
And, you can edit groups once you select them.
Duplicate:
Group Edit:
Working with Groups:
@wim Are you finding this useful/useable beyond the fun of Lego-ing things together? Sincere question.
Short answer: I think so, for one main reason: AudioBus3 capability.
It's less full featured than others I've tried such as MidiOSC, TB Midi Stuff, TC-Data, and Lemur. Being a total geek that gets me down a little. My personal favorite until now has been TB Midi Stuff. It strikes a great balance between amazing power and simplicity / practicality. I have reoccurring fantasies of building great master surfaces to do all kinds of things. I never end up using them becuase the process of setting them up, making all the midi connections each time, switching back and forth between my surface and whatever else I'm doing bugs me and throws me off my groove.
SL is a nicely executed app - easy enough to understand, and with lots of very helpful features. For instance, when you duplicate a control, such as a midi note button, it very thoughtfully automatically sets the next note, places it neatly beside the other one, all lined up and everything. Select and duplicate those and it is smart enough to assign the next two notes and align both right where you'd expect. It's just super quick and ... well ... thoughtfully designed.
But, it offers only basic CC's and notes. You can't do things like transport controls and pitch bend. You can't have one control affect other controls. There's no midi clock to govern the time-based controls. No midi in for And ... no manual, just some short videos. That one irks me. Y'all seem to like watching video's around here. I'd rather chew on a manual. But, in the end, not much of either is really needed. It's a pretty straightforward program.
So, yes, I think I will end up using this. App switching, AB3 midi routing and filters, and state saving put it over the top and make me think I'll get some use out of it beyond just indulging my nerdiness.
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P.S. As I wrote this, I remembered once again that gem I always seem to forget about - SideCar. Except for no XY pads, that one is is real handy too. I wonder why I don't use it more?
@wim I really appreciate you taking the time. Helpful, insightful, and I learned a lot....
Any time.
Two big things lacking
I still like it, and will probably use it some, but It's not all that I had hoped for as a super Midi control surface within AB3.
Yep - I put in the request for program change. But as for Outputs, each control can be on any Midi Channel - so you do have 1-16 for outputs, for any control. You can always route any one/group of those to Core MF-Adapter or another channel with more outputs, so you can control quite a few in this way.
Not for AUs directly hosted in AB3, unless I'm missing something. Since as far as I know, there isn't any AB3 Midi channel filter that can go between SL and an output, what I'm hoping for is something like this (where each Midi channel would be a separate out like the blue, red, green, and grey outputs below). I'll request this, program change, and pitch bend directly of @Uri_Sonic_Logic as well.
You can use a Network Session as receiver on the SL Receiver Channel, then route from there to other AB3 Busses. Each Network Session has 16 Channels, or Omni. Of course outside of AB3 young can use SL as Core Midi, with Virtual, or BT, and then use that as input to AB3 via MF-Adapter etc. might be some other ways, can't experiment until I'm back online at home in a few days.
Not if it's in as an AB3 Midi input. Midi can only go through AudioBus that way afaik.
Sure you can do just about anything if you load it outside AB3. The attraction is in having it inside as an AB3 sender. But apparently a Midiflow channel filter is coming very soon, so that will make it workable within AB3.
Update: @JohannesD just released a Midiflow Channels, which no allows me to filter for just the channels I want for each receiver. As a test, I made a single page with pads for Ruismaker and Ruismaker FM, two octave keyboard for Troublemaker, and three octave keyboard for Redshrike. Four apps playable from one surface. Kinda cool. Don't know if I'll use it, but I'm tickled that I can.
Cool - will be grabbing that tool soon! You can use the Network Session as I described above. Or if you have an iConnect, it can be used the same way as input/output. One other AB3 way is to put the receiving app in Midi-Learn Mode, and then broadcast the individual controllers from SL.
