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Comparing Piano Roll / Step Editors

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  • This is a good overview. Looking forward to reading the rest

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  • I can tell you right now that modstep will fail a few of your categories. It isnt intuitive at all. Atleast not till you unlearn habits you have from other daws. And you shouldn't really use it standalone. It's modstep+Aum that a lot of us that are hardcore users prefer using to just the single app. I mainly use modstep only as a midi sequencer. Another reason is that Aux parameters cannot be automated in modstep alone. But when hosted in Aum you can send midi to pretty much any parameter since AUM has midi learn for everything including Au instrument and effect parameters.

    Another great thing about modstep is after you have made your entire song you can export the entire song as midi data and import it into Auria pro or any other daw. I prefer Auria pro since it can automate Au unlike cubasis.

    Every track will be maintained. After that it's just a matter of loading the correct Au or iaa apps and continuing more complex editing there.

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  • Thanks for this thread. Looking forward to more posts!

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    why do you rate looping that high? linear type daws such as Cubasis,Auria and the likes will always fail in this category?

  • Interested to see your analysis of NanoStudio.

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  • Looping sections in Cubasis is easy. Just long-tap a any region to set the loop-markers to that region.
    You can also easily copy bars in the arrangement window and merge/glue the copied regions into one if needed.

    I personally prefer a linear daw in favour of a 'scene based' thing especially when audio-recording is involved :)
    What ever 'tool' we choose to use there will always be some compromises, there's no getting around that.

    All the mentioned tools are all great for making music, It's just a matter of fully mastering them!
    This thread could easily turn into 'app bashing' because everyone has their own favourites.

    Piano-Rolls are generally much a 'personal preference' what works for one person might be total crap for another!

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    Currently still fighting with modstep :neutral:

    I told you lol. It doesn't make it any less powerful though. You might want to see some of my YouTube videos and the official tutorials by Jakob. You can see them in the modstep YouTube playlists, my videos are under the user playlist.

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    @dermichl said:
    why do you rate looping that high? linear type daws such as Cubasis,Auria and the likes will always fail in this category?

    Is that bad?
    Maybe just natural.

    I try to compare step editors for piano rolls.

    And one application of this is, to create new songs!

    And you can more easy create new songs, when you can handle loops, phrases, numbers of repeats and a song structure.

    it's not bad but pointless - or would you compare a sports car against a station wagon?
    in terms of visualising a song structure a linear type daw like Cubasis wins hands down against a looper type Gadget!

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    @tja Modstep takes a while to get into. and its not strong by itself. but the combination of AUM+ Ab3 midi filters + modstep is pretty powerful. A good example is in the thread i just posted:- https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19464/modstep-tutorial-multiout-ruismaker-drumrack-built-with-aum-ab3-and-midiflow-scales-presets-inside
    you cannot do this in Modstep alone. nor in most DAWS by themselves.

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  • @tja said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    @tja Modstep takes a while to get into. and its not strong by itself. but the combination of AUM+ Ab3 midi filters + modstep is pretty powerful. A good example is in the thread i just posted:- https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19464/modstep-tutorial-multiout-ruismaker-drumrack-built-with-aum-ab3-and-midiflow-scales-presets-inside
    you cannot do this in Modstep alone. nor in most DAWS by themselves.

    In this topic, i am just comparing the step editors for the piano roll, so what an App can do or cannot do, is out of interest.

    But i am interested to learn the possibilities of modstop + AUM + AB3 + xyz!

    Thanks for the link!

    The beauty of modstep is it's step sequencer and piano roll are linked. You can program a sequence in the step sequencer and edit it further in the piano roll. The reverse is also true. So it's not really just a piano roll. Like I said. You need to unlearn what you expect from normal daws.

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    @tja said:
    Yep, seems to - this program take the longest time so far :dizzy:

    you will find some tips in my other tutorials. https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19400/modstep-mini-tutorial-transpose#latest
    The transpose and edit buttons are specially important for piano roll editing. But the clock dividers help too as shown here:-
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19418/modstep-tutorial-midi-chopping-with-modstep-and-ab3-starring-ripplemaker#latest

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    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    @tja Modstep takes a while to get into. and its not strong by itself. but the combination of AUM+ Ab3 midi filters + modstep is pretty powerful. A good example is in the thread i just posted:- https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19464/modstep-tutorial-multiout-ruismaker-drumrack-built-with-aum-ab3-and-midiflow-scales-presets-inside
    you cannot do this in Modstep alone. nor in most DAWS by themselves.

    In this topic, i am just comparing the step editors for the piano roll, so what an App can do or cannot do, is out of interest.

    But i am interested to learn the possibilities of modstop + AUM + AB3 + xyz!

    Thanks for the link!

    so then why do you rate loop handling capabilities when it's only about piano rolls and step sequencers?

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  • @tja don't always agree, but appreciate your effort and the exercise has made me think/revisit a few things and for that I'm grateful.

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