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I worried about this myself and sometimes i miss simplicity of just using NanoStudio
But then, i felt too limited and in my case i think more and better tools let me just do more and inspire me.
Also (at least with my setup) the workflow is a lot more stable and much faster than everything i have done ever on my iOS devices.
Just a few minutes ago i tryed to load some of my Audiobus 3 presets....some apps still have no state saving, one preset crashed the whole thing and some others have some other minor issues.
So as long as i use several apps on my iOS device i won't achieve much at this time compared to my old notebook where i can boot it up and load a 50 track song in under a minute. I also can save multi-instruments with tons of FX and save it as performence to load it in another project in a few seconds. I also just can copy a whole multi set-up several times and transpose it to play it all together in a giant wall of sound.
Mmhhhh....maybe i will think about to pay another 199€ to upgrade to Komplete. I have already some Komplete products and can sell the ones i would get with Komplete and would get it nearly for free then
Ultimate would be too much and i already have better specialized tools in some sample areas i'm interested in.
If anyone is sitting on the fence...I can testify that Komplete is a pretty good cure for G.A.S.
Every time I start itching to blow some $$$ on the latest whatever, I just look to see if there's an equivalent already in Komplete, Reaktor, or Kontakt...and there usually is. Pretty much every style of synthesis and genre of music has been covered. My only weakness is iOS stuff because it's so cheap but often they don't hold a candle to Komplete. For instance I immediately bought Ripplemaker and it's cool, but it doesn't compare at all in sound and complexity to the west-coast synth stuff in Reaktor and Reaktor Blocks. I still need to dedicate a couple of weeks and learn Cloudlab 200t.
I've had Maschine for while, bought a second-hand crossgrade for Komplete 10 on Ebay for $150 a couple of years ago, and just copped the K11 upgrade on sale for $100.
Well worth it. If you have Maschine or the NI keyboards, the auto-mapping to the macro knobs and tagged browsing makes finding and tweaking the right sound super easy. Usually the same or easier than my hardware synths. Also goes for 3rd party plugins with NKS.
I think I may go for this tomorrow. It means no more app buying for a while, but for the price and quality it's silly to miss.
Mmhhhh....i think i can't resist too....at least to upgrade further to Komplete 11 for just €199.50.
Like i said i can tgen sell my doubled licenses and have no loss at all. I still get a lot new things even if i wouldn't sell anything.
I really don't have the money and space left but it will be a long time until the next sale and the value is just too good. I also can download just what i need yet and can add the other things later.
Native Acess works really good for me. Just enter the serial and then one click. Almost as easy as downloading and installing an app from the app store
My job sucks the life out of me so i need some more to makes me happy right now....so it makes sense to buy....at least that is what my inner voice says.
Edit: Just did it....since license transfers are also easy i have nothing to loose here.
But that must be enough tools now......damn G.A.S.
Didn't go for this in the end. I went through what I already have via iOS and Logic, and really the only thing missing is a soundscape synth like Absynth, and the Reaktor platform. I can get close to Absynth with a combo of apps on this thing, and still have fun with the Reaktor player.
What swung it though was annoyance. In my ancient Maschine 'Elements' selection they provided a cut-down version of GuitarRig. An update for this was showing in my NI control panel, so I decided to run this before buying Komplete. When I booted it up after the update, it informed me that it was removing hundreds of presets, as the database was 'incompatible', and 'missing elements'. When it finished, 90% of the presets I used to use were in 'demo only' mode.
So the 'update', trashed my 'lite' version and turned it into a demo/player instead. Fortunately I only ran the update on PC, so still have the presets working on my Mac.
Don't like that behaviour, and I was getting frustrated with the tiny 1987 Absynth UI anyway, so my cash has been put aside for Synthscaper and Layr instead.
I´m happy that i´ve done it this year. While i don´t really need all the things i got with Komplete 11 it´s alone worth for the full Kontakt, Reaktor 6 and a few other goodies.
I just started to explore Reaktor and a few of the free things the community made. Some awesome stuff and sound wise i think Reaktor blocks are at the very top which is possible without to need one of those new 18 core cpu´s
Yeah I can see I'll go for it one day, just couldn't justify the spendage at this point, particularly after exploring what I already have in Logic. Maybe I'll get Reaktor or Absynth separately in a future sale.
I think I need to knuckle down and make music with what I've already got - there's a danger with Komplete that I'd spend the next six months installing and learning how to use the new stuff. Fun, but I'd like to crack on and get some proper tunes recorded in the little spare time I have.
Look out for cheap secondhand reaktor licenses floating around in the next few months, as there will be quite a few people who just upgraded to komplete who want to offload their spare copies, although they do tend to go fast. I love absynth, but find I hardy use it anymore, modulation options though are very pleasing, alchemy is my absolute fav for soundscape and pad duties along with some tasty reaktor ensembles.
Here's a few of my fav fx and synths for reaktor, which are free, if you've got lemur too, much full joy to be had.
First this man is a genius when it comes to reaktor and lemur stuffs
http://www.antonioblanca.com/dron-e
Downloads to some of his work
http://twistedtools.com/blog/dron-e/
https://liine.net/en/products/lemur/premium/ab-lemur-bundle/
https://liine.net/en/products/lemur/premium/squ4r-3/
Nice reverb for pads and stuff by tim exile
https://shop.timexile.com/products/s-l-o-w-reverb-for-sloths
Some great stuff here too, quite a bit to get through
http://boscomac.free.fr
Also glad I did (still downloading and installing). Lots to explore in the next time.
By the way iZotope is just giving away Iris 2 for 49 $ (til wednesday I think, 11 GB of additional sounds), so I'll be getting this one too I suppose (though also a little short of money at the moment).
It´s true that so much new tools can disturb your creativity about creating content instead of playing around and learn.
But while it´s also not so easy anymore (at least for me) to get all the different things in iOS together and let them play well together it´s not so much more difficult to learn something like Reaktor due to a lot great tutorials, templates, examples etc.
Once you understand the main thing you can create great unique stuff or learn the deeper stuff until the core cells (which might be the closest until you write your own code/algorithms).
Alone in the few days i explored it i´m amazed what awesome stuff there is possible with Reaktor.
It could nearly replace everything i have but of course it is also about the workflow and Reaktor is not the most friendly thing here.
But it´s of course a personal thing and while i like to create music and program my own synth patches it´s another step to try to create my own synths.
But yeah, not enough time to explore all this stuff like i wish i could.
We know VST/AU can be expensive but especially Reaktor for synthesis and Kontakt for sampled stuff is such a bargain for what it opens, it´s unreal.
Not long ago Reaktor 6 was on sale for just €99 (the full version, not just an upgrade) and i missed it.
I mean 3-4 from the better iOS synths costs you the same and you get an unlimited amount of synths, FX, sequencers, sound generators and some really obscure experimental things you find nowhere else.
Just yesterday i downloaded something from Brice Beasley (you know that great member here who made the awesome cinematic patches for LayR).
It´s also great to take something you like and just add your own flavor on it.
And i´m sure Reaktor 7 will just add some new good stuff in the future.
So i think i really don´t need much stuff now since i´m covered. And the stuff i´m waiting for i will get for free (like Zebra 3, Repro-5 i think too) anyway.
I didn´t really plan to buy Komplete 11 but i anyway wanted to upgrade to the full Kontakt and i really wanted Reaktor 6.
Now i got both and more for the fraction of the price.
The other good thing is that you always could sell the stuff in the future if you get tired, bored or whatever.
Something like this is missing in iOS but maybe it will be there in some years.
There is Audulus and Z-Mors and stuff but Reaktor is just so much better in terms of flexibility and sound quality.
So if there would be a price for the Top 3 best bang for buck i now would say Logic Pro X, Reaktor 6 and Komplete bundle.
If you just want to create music.....better stay away from this stuff....you might get lost.
After all that I went into a last minute panic and bought it lol.
@MonzoPro lol. I got it the komplete 11 yesterday. Well actually went halvsies with my buddy. We are hoping to start writing some scores for video games and stuff.
I wangled it as a combination of next months birthday present from Mrs Monzo, no more apps until Xmas, and an alcohol free couple of months (that's the tricky bit). Skint now anyway.
So far I've mucked about with Absynth, Reaktor and Form, and I am completely, utterly blown away by them. I can see years of happy music making ahead...quite exciting really.
I'll still be using the iPad for stuff, but most of it will now get a final spit and polish via the NI stuff.
Thanks for tips everyone about the sale and upgrade paths. Also @Cabo about the Iris 2 deal. Very nice.
FYI for you wafflers: Looks like they extended the Summer of Sound sale a few more days, till the 10th ..
I had fun with Serenade 3. Awesome thing. A bit like Finger Fiddle but with all the midi i want.
It's fun to modulate all the stuff with Logic's Midi FX or things like midi shaper.
Some of the free Reaktor ensembles are really outstanding
Have you tried the Buchla synth community patch? That was one of the things that tempted me to buy Reaktor - it's brilliant. Some of the blocks patches it comes with are incredible too - stunning sound quality.
You could get lost in Reaktor for years.
Good to know, I've got a few with the standard bundle, plus the full GuitarRig.
I'll still start off a lot of stuff on the iPad, but what I've been doing has sounded a bit unfinished. Now I'll be able to take the raw iPad stuff, embellish and arrange it so it's a bit more presentable.
I'll also bring clips from the Mac to the iPad too - I still love apps like Turnado - 'The Finger' in NI can't compete with that one.
Im happy I got the komplete upgrade this year, was on the fence about which version to get, went with ultimate in the end, tempted by replika xt, molekular, orchestral stuff and George duke soul treasures. Absolutely loving replika xt becoming one of my favourite delays, molekular is better than I expected just a massive cpu hog.
One of the things I've like the most though is from the reaktor community library, this tasty fx...
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/11003/
Find it great for saturation and distortion fx, but the chorus and phasing fx are fantastic, really helped bring this drum loop to life, I was testing with. One bit of advice though that some might find helpful is shifting a lot of the content to external hd, if you installed everything on your system drive.
I'm on a mac so I'm not sure how this would work for pc, but I used symbolic links to move a lot of my libraries over to an external, using symbolic links makes osx treat the libraries like they are still installed on the system drive.
Works at a deeper level then creating aliases, useful for if there are any future library updates, although not necessary for libraries that just load audio files, works a treat for kontact libraries embedded into kontact. Also moved a lot of my logic libraries using this method to free up space, just have to remember to have the external plugged in, otherwise logic will try and download the essential library again if your online when you start it.
Here's a good guide to help through the process if your interested, it involves terminal though, but is quite easy, I used scenario 1 method for ni stuff, used a different method for logic which does the same thing.
https://www.logicprohelp.com/move-logics-additional-content-secondary-drive/
If your setting komplete up from new you can specify where you want the content to go from native access, as I already had most my kontact and reaktor libraries on external, I went through all the kontact content first and selected my kontact folder on my external, then switched locations in native access and did the same for the reaktor libraries.
It usually defaults to the shared folder on a mac, which I switched back to for battery and the rest of the stuff I installed. I mention this as it's recommended osx has at least 20% of space free to do its thing, not sure if this will change with the new file system.
Lots of useful tips there, thank you. At the moment I'm installing everything on the PC, learning how to use it and seeing what I like best, then installing just a few essentials on the Mac to use with Logic. I don't use the Mac for much other than basic office stuff and music so I should have enough room on the drive, though an external option is definitely something to consider for the future.
Haven't tried out the Reaktor fx yet, still exploring the synths (and endless downloading), but will give those a go. Molekular would have been nice, but I'll give my wallet a couple of years to recover before the next upgrade!
Just as well I didn't know this, or I'd still be on the fence (until the 10th)...
I got in at komplete 8 from a kore crossgrade, wanted 7 as it was the last version that used kore to its fullest but didn't have the cash at the time. I waited until now to take the plunge to ultimate, had to put off a few plugin purchases like a nice upgrade offer to the r4 reverb and borrow some money to get ultimate, but I would of been happy with komplete 11 as it had a lot of new stuff.
Reaktor update was the main thing I was interested in, when I first got it I mainly used it as a synth, there's so much good stuff for it, went on a download binge, factory library alone has a ton of gems. Linked it up to the ipad via osc using mainly konkreet performer, touch osc and lemur, had an absolute ball experimenting with that combo. Last year or so though I'm using it more as an effect insert, as for me it's the best creative and oddball fx plugin I have.
One thing I did though was to rename all the fx ensembles and put an e/ at the front of them so I know they are fx's as my reaktor ensemble folder is unwieldy and I find it hard to keep track of everything, I'm going to go through everything and put an * on all the synth stuff I love, as I keep forgetting about the name of that one killer synth I downloaded and would like to use, I admit I'm a pig at the reaktor trough.
Yes, it´s another great freebie.
It´s really interesting to just take some blocks and put them somewhere into the signal chain of existing ensembles.
I really love blocks. Outstanding sound quality and easy to create my own synths.
I think i will try to create my own kind of Mitosynth on steroids since i still didn´t find a similar thing for my mac.
I love that you also can just drop and drag samples into most Reaktor sampler instruments.
Let´s hope that this will works wit iOS 11 too.
One of my favorite synth is Prism and i made now some extended versions of it for my personal use. Like putting a nice delay on the left and a reverb on the right plus some extra modulation somewhere between.
It´s like a mad science. I really love Reaktor.
I just wish they would make it also more easy to create great GUI´s for custom ensembles.
A kind of blocks for the GUI. I hope that comes with the next major version then.
I bought Komplete last August and just updated to Ultimate. I made a lot of mistakes with my purchases after that, so I would say this:
There are huge sales and giveaways around Black Friday and Christmas. So if you find out about some Kontakt Library you want now (like Sonoscore's The Orchestra), I would say the chances are almost certain that you can get it at a major discount if you wait. It can be 50% or even more. So it's a good idea to familiarize yourself with what's out there, because when those sales hit, I felt a lot of pressure. One way to do that is by joining the Vi:Control forum, which is frequented by composers. The people on there know what they're talking about.
http://vi-control.net/community/
Similar sales come in the summer, but the Black Friday and Christmas ones really kick ass.
There is no reason to ever pay list price unless you are in a hurry. And if you are interested in updating to Ultimate, you will probably get your chance next summer, or you can wait to upgrade to Komplete 12, which will have their cool new $299 library Thrill.
There are also regular great deals at VSTBuzz.com and Audioplugin.deals.com
Some of you may remember some of the freebies I posted here last Christmas like Sonokinetic's Ostinato Strings (regularly 99 euros)
The best place I have found for deals is the Cakewalk "Deals" forum
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Deals-f85.aspx
Warning, it can be very dangerous to your wallet to go here!
The two best deals I know going on now are Waves Gold at Audiodeluxe.com
Starting price: $169
In cart: $126.33
With code CK901: $116.22
and if by any chance you picked up the Minifilter V from Arturia for free last Christmas,
then the Arturia V Collection is only $199.
Finally, a lot of the most exciting virtual instruments being created these days are for Reaktor. I recommend looking at Flintpope (very cheap), Blinksonic, and in particular Twisted Tools (who created Polyplex for NI). Twisted Tools' Ultraloop is amazing.