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Classic market sizing.
Mostly of them should be Android users
If they weren't asking these questions then I would be worried.
Being that they gave us LINK, let's just say Ableton is omnipotent in certain facets of current ios music production.
In fact several months ago, this hit the stands.
http://www.musictech.net/2017/04/ableton-live-focus-2017/
Great mag, that was more ios apps than anything along with ways to use them with Ableton and other ios-Ableton common interests.........................priming the pump.
Can't say much more.
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The numbers could be different if we looked at non Ableton Live users.
I don't feel comfortable using Ableton Live as it doesn't 'click' with me at all...
after a year of ios'ing, Ableton's still unbeatable in my eyes when it comes to workflow, need for installing extras, putting materials together, etc.
i mainly use my ipad for creating source material that i then i combine and mix in Ableton, maybe this will change, but so far everything in ios has been so super slow and tedious (using Auria Pro, AUM, AB3, AU effects), and quite often i find myself thinking why do i even bother learning all these tricks.
But where ios really shines is creating "randomness" and all types generative controls with MIDI. Also intuitive jamming is so much more fun with it. Plus there's some amazingly clever apps that can do maybe just one thing, but they do it brilliantly.
With Lemur et al (not to mention physical controllers), i can't see why on earth Ableton should even be available on ipad, but as said i'm a noob in ios, whereas with Ableton i have almost 10+ years of experience using and teaching it.
+1
@hazardtears it's a neverending story... I use BlocsWave+Launchpad and Garageband for the most part I needed Ableton time ago.
I only need something which can warp material to make remixes. That's all.
Obviously I sold my mac mini and jump into iOS but I'm not a professional of any kind
@Dubbylabby yeah i never had a solid opinion over "what's best", it's all just whatever, you learn to play with something and get used to it and either grow to love its perks or hate its omissions. i have a theory concerning the popularity of smoking weed while making electronic music: it's a great way to turn your brain off and concentrate on the sounds instead of the UI
Agreed.
Back on topic I've finished reading a tesis which points how developers develop for their own users instead to gain new ones. Ableton/Bitwig history says Ableton even don't develop for their owns
Jokes aside, it's a worth reading.
Source:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19625/advice-for-developers/p1
I'd extend that theory to cover any music....it adds the 'F%$& It' factor....it doesn't look right, it doesn't fit the rules.... but it sounds great...F%$& It
I have another theory about smoking weed ....only I forgot what it is, and I'm too paranoid to tell you anyway
Did somebody say weed?
Yes
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Bill & Ben, the Flower Pot Men.
Same. I don't use anything from Ableton really being a Logic user on mac so i wouldn't have seen that poll if not for this thread
Abelton Live would be my last choice as DAW for many reasons.
One big reason is that it's not ready for MPE like Logic or Bitwig.
I tryed it but never could use it.
Well preferences, i have the same with Auria and Cubasis.
Nothing beats NanoStudio and Beatmaker.
The next versions will be even better.
All the other DAW's felt for me like desktop DAW's ported with less features and not good for multi-touch.
I anyway prefer to stay with one DAW and learn it inside out.
So Logic for mac and i think NanoStudio 2 for iOS.
It's too late for the others
I used to use ableton as well. While i think its THE daw(at least for me, other daws fit others workflow better), i have moved to ipad for doing everything, but putting the loops together, mixing and mastering. Maybe bm3 will make me move completely to ios(except maybe still ableton for putting ozone to master track).
For me using mouse and keyboard and a complex program kills all creativity(or at least makes it harder to be creative), so a desktop daw doesent suit me all that well for music production. Also i dont see what ableton for ios could offer what bm3 doesent.
So even tho i like ableton on desktop, i dont really feel excited for ios version.
As someone who spent 30+ years in and around software dev. this was already pretty well know. Larger products, like Ableton are marketing driven and enhancements quickly become nothing but chasing check marks on a list selected by marketing, not dev. SMH Thats why many top devs hate working for a big shop, you have fun developing a new product, and then are expected to spend years fixing bugs and adding little features to it. Now-a-days the shops are just as likely to hire new contractors or out source each dev cycle.
For small dev shops you are not going to hear much from non-customers while your current customers always have 100s of things they want
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Ableton is popular for very good reasons... there are many who claim they don't like Live but love live features in other apps and even use several apps to try to emulate the workflow in live, Ableton Is like the mpc of daws everyone loves to hate it but trys to emulate it.
cubase is kind of a perfection