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Transpose/Chord Chart APP Question?
I am going to start playing in my church worship band once a month. I was speaking with the sound guy last night and he mentioned this: "Be prepared to change keys on the fly. You may know, and have practiced a song in the** key of F**, but the singer may change the** key to C** to fit their voice."
I'm good on guitar, but...........the whole quick on the fly transpose Key change is not my favorite thing to do. Even if I figure out all the note changes by transposing, which I can do. It may change the note/Chord to something I am not used to playing. Therefore, my guitar ability goes from good, to not good.
I have most apps under the sun, Onsong, Chord Charts. So, does anyone have any thoughts, experience, ideas on some apps that would flow well together, and be easy and quick as hell to use when the Worship leader says: I don't want to sing in the Key of A for this song, Let's do c#. So, can I have an app on my ipad transpose the song for me, and......show me the fingerings for me to play the chords if it's a whacky chord? Or, if I where to want to use a Capo to make it really simple, quick and easy, an app that shows me where to put the capo, and the chord fingerings?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Jason
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It's expensive at $12.99 but iReal Pro will do this but you have to chart out the whole song in advance and transpose it all at once.
Chordbot might help with this too.
The rule for capos is each fret you move the capo up moves the key up by one half step so if the song is in C and you put the capo at the second fret the key will be transposed to D if you play the same chords as without the capo. You can only move the key up higher with a capo not lower so if you know a song in G and you need it in E you can get there by moving the capo to the 9th fret but the guitar will likely sound way too high. If you know enough chords to play in several different keys you can usually find a way to move the capo where you need to get a good sound and play easy chords.
There might a chart online somewhere that has all the keys written out at a glance so you could refer to that "on the gig". The I chord in one key becomes the I chord in another key etc.
Doing this will really advance your knowledge of keys and transposing!
Good luck!
Play in open tunings, and get a capo.
Problem solved.
Don't even really need the open tunings. Just get a capo. Probably the easiest way to solve your problem.
Not really. If the song is in C and they want to go to B, you gonna jack the capo up 11 frets? Plus just drop everything and learn to play in a total new tuning? You're either joking or didn't think it through all that well.
My sympathies to the OP. It's a challenge no matter how you look at it. I had to go through the same thing. You just have to learn to think on your feet, know a lot of bar chords, and get a feel for when a capo makes sense and when you need to figure out some new positions. Been there and done that, there's no real easy out.
Something as simple as having a single page with all the transpositions listed in a grid for the root keys can help to reduce the finger-counting I used to do so much of in a panic. It seems to me I had one of those laying around somewhere. If I can find it when I get home I'll scan a copy.
Wait. Are we talking about lead, chords, or both?
For lead playing, there's no substitute for knowing scale patterns. That way you can just shift your thinking to where the patterns lie.
as @yowza mentioned, capo is the simplest, but realistically I would say it's limited to about a +5 frets/semitones range (if the chords are Open or at least within the first 5 frets to start with). Past that, you really need to change to a new chord (shape). Better would be to become really familiar with the M/m triads on the neck.
There are apps that transpose, but all of course require that you input the chord progressions in, so having them already in the app would be required.
simple with limited chord types and no song saving, but free
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/guitar-chord-transposer/id647525159?mt=8
Google search for "ios ipad guitar chord chart transposer"
https://www.google.com/#q=ios+ipad+guitar+chord+chart+transposer&spf=1499722094640
I don't have any great recommendations (don't have any of the apps).
@wim - I would love to see that chart if/when you find it.
No, I've always just carried around a half dozen guitars tuned in different tunings. That may seem excessive, but it is still a down right Quaker setup compared to Thurston Moore and Lee Renaldo
My motto has always been "Don't Work So Hard; Standard Tuning Is For Suckers!"
Of course, that pronouncement often elicits responses as if I were the Prince of Darkness.
However, truth be told, I consider myself to be more the Prince of Dim Lighting
Dim something anyway!
Having nightmares now about past live set quick guitar change debacles. One of my personal favorites was when the guitar stand hooked in the strap and decided to attach itself to by back. Turned around to see what the hell was going on knocked the mic and music stand over, followed by the stand coming off and falling on my pedal board.
Good times.
Good times indeed!
Many times I had to avoid drunkenly stepping on my arsenal stacked behind me. And if it was unavoidable, remembering to at least do it with wasted elegance élan.
Hahaha
I'd put a capo on fret 4 and play the 'G' shape as the root. Transposing from C to G in open position ain't so hard!
Really, the only option here is to get as much practical practise and prep in as possible. I wouldn't bother with iPad gimmickry beyond maybe getting an app that can transpose the tunes into a new key on the fly, it'll just eat your time.
Two options reall are to play in closed position and just woodshed your closed shapes as hard as possible (might be most simple and direct route) or learn to transpose on the fly between 3 different open keys (off the top of my head I'd say C, G, D, although A is also defo a good option). Then just memorise what capo position for which key!:
(for example)
C - no capo C (often I prefer capo 5 G)
F - capo 3 D
Bb - capo 3 G
Eb - capo 3 C
Ab - capo 1 G
Db - capo 1 C
F# - capo 4 D
B - capo 4 G
E - capo 4 C
A - capo 2 G
D - no capo D (often I prefer capo 2 C)
G - no capo G (often I prefer capo 5 C)
So you've only got to learn 3 easy keys! Simples!
Also I wouldn't bother with open tunings here (personally). They are fantastic in the right situation (I play in them 95% of the time) but this sounds like a job for standard tuning to me!
Thanks everyone for answering and giving me some ideas! Much appreciated!!
I need to go through and read the above posts in depth to make sure my feeble mind "gets it" lol.
Ya, @ wim...... I got the lead thing down great. Chords too. Just transposing on the fly is tough fer me. If I have a half hour to go through it then it's no biggie, but on the fly, that makes even more of my hair fall out.
I've got a few more questions, but...........Work calls...........