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Hardware Looper for iOS (BOSSrc505 or MIDIcontroller?)

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  • If you use midi clock, whatever the setup, it is smart using the looper as the master, unless you can't- like if you are using a DAW, or something else that records audio as a master. The task seems simple, but slaving an audio player/recorder to midi clock is very difficult, because midi clock jitters- it comes in sloppy, and the slave is madly trying to figure out the tempo based on different periods between the clock pulses coming in. "Is the tempo changing? Am I off from the master?" it wonders 5 times a second. If it decides it is off, it needs to time compress the audio immediately, to catch up with the master.

    I'll have to try the 505 as a midi slave soon, as that's one of the reasons I got it, because of all the reports that they'd fixed it. Loopy's ability to slave well to midi clock is nothing short of miraculous.

  • Currently I run Loopy on the iPhone

    Opened this thread to suggest this (and AB Remote). An older iPhone will happily run 12 tracks of Loopy and some effects apps. Constant feedback, dedicated machine. A used Nanokontrol 2 is dirt cheap and offers a whole lot of Loopy control. I wrote up my config here: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/77488/#Comment_77488. Been meaning to redo it so that tracks 1-6 are channels 1-6, channel 7 is the 'meta' channel and channel 8 is 'Current' track. If you don't use panning, would be quite easy to map the extra controls on a nanokontrol to an effect app or two.

    Two other Loopy things to consider:

    1) It gives pretty good feedback directly on the AB panel. Certainly not like a 202/505 but feedback.
    2) Loopy Masterpiece Edition has got to be around the proverbial corner

    I buy hardware because it's dedicated, hardware controls are goodtm, easy I/O, it can retain most of its value over time, etc. Not trying to talk you out the 505! Just spit balling.

  • @Gaia.Tree said:
    At this point I lean towards the 202 when I'm looking to do more danceable, glitchy and chaotic stuff, and use QL when I'm doing something more "songlike" with more vocals etc etc.

    Thanks, interesting distinction!

  • Mainly because the 202 excels at fast tempo changes,quickfx on/off and changes with the nice big dial, and it just generally flows better when im doing really hi energy stuff. The ipad of course has the juicy vocal fx that make the more lyric focused songs go off

  • I agree with syrupcore re hardware vs software loopers. In my group where we have 5 loopers synced and tempo sync for things like delays, tremolo etc, my RC505 is the master MIDI clock for everything.The RC505 has been rock solid as master clock.
    Michael did a huge amount of inspired work to achieve rock solid MIDI Clock slaving for Loopy - he basically built a specific engine which was then made available to other developers.

    Having done this for a few years now, I can confidently say Loopy is every bit as reliable as hardware loopers, particularly if you have a good I/O device and like to use a footboard controller. Loopy is the best solution by far for controller macros and visual feedback. That said, I would also have a hardware looper no matter what. Anybody doing live looping needs backup plans in case your looper isnt working properly.

    Assuming you have at least one hardware looper plus a software looper, each should have presets on call which enable either of the loopers to take over from the other in case of failure at a gig.

    Loopy is really good for laying down parts. RC505 is really good at applying FX.

    At one point I was feeding the output of Loopy back into the Aux In on the RC505, which allowed me to apply FX to whatever Loopy was playing. That worked well, but I found I wasnt using it much for that purpose and (instead) came up with a better use for the Aux In on the RC505. I also prefer having Loopy on a dedicated channel pair in the mix console.

  • @Scottzilla82 sorry but you or anyone could explain me how do you use rc 505 or 202 with ipad if its not midi class compilant?
    I would like to have a loop station or use loopy hd + blueboard or bt4 positive grid.
    My gear is a microphone, guitar , one midi keyboard and a zoom l12 mixer (which has class compilant)
    I think that i could connect piano to iphone or ipad (if i get another usb 3 to camera and connect 2 in my ipad to could connect the piano and the midi class compilant mixer)
    Then connect, all to loopstation and the loopstation to the mixer, but idk how it fits and probably the problem would be that all will be in the same track.....
    Idk which option would be better, maybe is better a midi bluetooth foot controller and record with loopy.

  • @trrracker said:
    @Scottzilla82 sorry but you or anyone could explain me how do you use rc 505 or 202 with ipad if its not midi class compilant?
    I would like to have a loop station or use loopy hd + blueboard or bt4 positive grid.
    My gear is a microphone, guitar , one midi keyboard and a zoom l12 mixer (which has class compilant)
    I think that i could connect piano to iphone or ipad (if i get another usb 3 to camera and connect 2 in my ipad to could connect the piano and the midi class compilant mixer)
    Then connect, all to loopstation and the loopstation to the mixer, but idk how it fits and probably the problem would be that all will be in the same track.....
    Idk which option would be better, maybe is better a midi bluetooth foot controller and record with loopy.

    Probably using another class compliant audiomidi interface between them. Something like focusrite 2i4 or presonus audiobox as examples.

  • Another vote for Loopy HD.
    It not only slave-syncs to MIDI clock very well since over 5 years, but it also works with midi or bluetooth controllers and has a very elaborate list of functions you can freely assign. You could even build a cheapo foot controller from an old bluetooth keyboard to control it.

  • @trrracker said:
    @Scottzilla82 sorry but you or anyone could explain me how do you use rc 505 or 202 with ipad if its not midi class compilant?
    I would like to have a loop station or use loopy hd + blueboard or bt4 positive grid.
    My gear is a microphone, guitar , one midi keyboard and a zoom l12 mixer (which has class compilant)
    I think that i could connect piano to iphone or ipad (if i get another usb 3 to camera and connect 2 in my ipad to could connect the piano and the midi class compilant mixer)
    Then connect, all to loopstation and the loopstation to the mixer, but idk how it fits and probably the problem would be that all will be in the same track.....
    Idk which option would be better, maybe is better a midi bluetooth foot controller and record with loopy.

    I use the 505 looper with iPad, with an iconnectaudio4+. I run the midi clock from the looper, to the 5 pin DIN MIDI input on the iconnect, and slave all the apps, with midi clock sync, to the looper. I usually tap in the tempo, and start the metronome, on the looper, to start any synced up rhythmic stuff on the iPad, or get my first loop rhythmically decent, that way it isn’t all wonky sounding, if I try to sequence something to it.

    In the 505’s settings, I set the looper metronome to just come out the headphones, not the looper’s main out. Also key, is to set the metronome, so that it doesn’t stop the midi clock, until you press stop, on the metronome- otherwise it stops, if you stop all the loops from playing (which means your synced stuff on the iPad stops). This way, the iPad apps won’t stop, until you push stop on the metronome.

    I have a setup with a little mixer, and the iconnect, using all 4 outputs on the iconnect, where some stuff can come out of the iconnect, and get looped (like synths and performed noises), but sequenced stuff on the ipad (like drum machines and step sequencers) skips the looper. The mixer has a way to assign a channel between 2 sets of outputs, so one goes to the looper, one bypasses it. I had to make a drawing of how to hook everything up, but it works!

  • @Processaurus said:

    @trrracker said:
    @Scottzilla82 sorry but you or anyone could explain me how do you use rc 505 or 202 with ipad if its not midi class compilant?
    I would like to have a loop station or use loopy hd + blueboard or bt4 positive grid.
    My gear is a microphone, guitar , one midi keyboard and a zoom l12 mixer (which has class compilant)
    I think that i could connect piano to iphone or ipad (if i get another usb 3 to camera and connect 2 in my ipad to could connect the piano and the midi class compilant mixer)
    Then connect, all to loopstation and the loopstation to the mixer, but idk how it fits and probably the problem would be that all will be in the same track.....
    Idk which option would be better, maybe is better a midi bluetooth foot controller and record with loopy.

    I use the 505 looper with iPad, with an iconnectaudio4+. I run the midi clock from the looper, to the 5 pin DIN MIDI input on the iconnect, and slave all the apps, with midi clock sync, to the looper. I usually tap in the tempo, and start the metronome, on the looper, to start any synced up rhythmic stuff on the iPad, or get my first loop rhythmically decent, that way it isn’t all wonky sounding, if I try to sequence something to it.

    In the 505’s settings, I set the looper metronome to just come out the headphones, not the looper’s main out. Also key, is to set the metronome, so that it doesn’t stop the midi clock, until you press stop, on the metronome- otherwise it stops, if you stop all the loops from playing (which means your synced stuff on the iPad stops). This way, the iPad apps won’t stop, until you push stop on the metronome.

    I have a setup with a little mixer, and the iconnect, using all 4 outputs on the iconnect, where some stuff can come out of the iconnect, and get looped (like synths and performed noises), but sequenced stuff on the ipad (like drum machines and step sequencers) skips the looper. The mixer has a way to assign a channel between 2 sets of outputs, so one goes to the looper, one bypasses it. I had to make a drawing of how to hook everything up, but it works!

    Hi, thank you for your answer but i don't have your iconnectaudio4+ and i don't have plans to buy it. I just have a zoom l 12 that is a multi track recorder with midi class compilant so i could connect it to my ipad.
    The problem is that it doesn't have midi input or outputs. I think that i could connect them together, with the 2 jack 1/4 outputs (in boss rc505) and inputing them in the livetrack, that has a channel for this 2 cables in stereo.
    The problem is that i assume that with that method all the things will be recordering in the same track.
    Another thing that i was thinking is in connect each instrument to live track and rc 505 with jack's splitters and aux splitters, hoping that it works for record each instrument per separetly and all loops together from rc 505. That's will be a little improve, but idk if thats possible.

    The last one ask that i would like to tell you is if connecting rc 505 to mac in audio interface mode. How it is recorded? Each loop track per separately like a multitrack recorder or how?

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