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use multiple iPads

Hello iOS folks!
I have 3 iPads, 2 iPad mini retina and one iPad pro 9.7.
I only use my iPad pro för making music but I want to use the CPU power of my other iPads.

For example I run a DAW on iPad pro and send midi to synths running on the other iPads.
The audio will be sent back to the DAW running on the iPad pro.

I actually don't know why I would have such a workflow I'm just curious if it's possible to use the power of several devices in one composition.
Thanks

Comments

  • you may consider an iConnectAudio4+ interface, which can connect to 2 iPads simulatanously (digital streams of audio and midi) and can add the 3rd iPad's headphone out into ports 3/4 by analog cable.

  • @Telefunky said:
    you may consider an iConnectAudio4+ interface, which can connect to 2 iPads simulatanously (digital streams of audio and midi) and can add the 3rd iPad's headphone out into ports 3/4 by analog cable.

    You can also use the interfaces midi out and an irig or something similar to receive the midi on the 3rd device.

  • Here is a related noob question regarding audio between iDevices; is it possible to connect multiple iDevices using a USB hub only?

    One can send audio digitally to a Mac with El Capitan using usb only, so one should think an audio interface would not be needed between two iPads either. Is it so? I don't have a usb hub, so I can't test it. Would be happy if someone did it. It seems so unneccesary to need an interface for sending a digital signal from one point to the other, when usb is all you need.

    I think this is relevant for many hobbyists dabbling with audio where old iDevices pile up after upgrades.

  • @Telefunky said:
    you may consider an iConnectAudio4+ interface, which can connect to 2 iPads simulatanously

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    You can also use the interfaces midi out and an irig or something similar to receive the midi on the 3rd device.

    Ok thanks, I'll check it out.

  • Or you could use the Roland go mixer and Bluetooth midi maybe.

  • edited July 2017

    It depends.
    Do you want a single stereo out from each iPad? Or do you want 4-8 mono outs?
    Do you want/can have a mac a center or do you want to go iPad only?
    Do you already have some audio and/or midi interfaces for the iPads?

    But i think if you bounce/freeze then you don´t need the power of multiple ipads.
    But maybe you want the screen realestate. E.g. Lemur on one, Kraft on another.
    What do you want to do ultimatly?

  • My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

  • @dreamrobe said:
    It depends.
    Do you want a single stereo out from each iPad? Or do you want 4-8 mono outs?

    Never thought of that. Guess 4-8 mono outs is more flexible?

    Do you want/can have a mac a center or do you want to go iPad only?

    I have a mac but I prefer iPad only (it's more fun :)

    Do you already have some audio and/or midi interfaces for the iPads?

    Yes I have RME babyface pro

    But i think if you bounce/freeze then you don´t need the power of multiple ipads.

    Ok, I wasn't sure either if I actually wanted that kind of solution. I was just curious if there were some easy way to use my other ipads

    Thanks for your suggestions

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

    Interesting solution, thanks

  • edited July 2017

    @fattigman said:

    @dreamrobe said:
    It depends.
    Do you want a single stereo out from each iPad? Or do you want 4-8 mono outs?

    Never thought of that. Guess 4-8 mono outs is more flexible?

    Do you want/can have a mac a center or do you want to go iPad only?

    I have a mac but I prefer iPad only (it's more fun :)

    Do you already have some audio and/or midi interfaces for the iPads?

    Yes I have RME babyface pro

    But i think if you bounce/freeze then you don´t need the power of multiple ipads.

    Ok, I wasn't sure either if I actually wanted that kind of solution. I was just curious if there were some easy way to use my other ipads

    Thanks for your suggestions

    You can actually get 16 mono or 8 stereo outs digitally (no unecessary D/A and A/D conversion ) from one iPad to another using the Ica4+ with the master one having 4 mono or 2 stereo outs.... Personally that's more than enough for my needs.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    You can actually get 16 mono or 8 stereo outs digitally (no unecessary D/A and A/D conversion ) from one iPad to another using the Ica4+ with the master one having 4 mono or 2 stereo outs.... Personally that's more than enough for my needs.

    Yes that's probably more than enough. Thanks

  • @fattigman said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

    Interesting solution, thanks

    Glad to know you find it useful. Add a mixer into those "audiomidi" interfaces I pointed.

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @fattigman said:

    @dreamrobe said:
    It depends.
    Do you want a single stereo out from each iPad? Or do you want 4-8 mono outs?

    Never thought of that. Guess 4-8 mono outs is more flexible?

    Do you want/can have a mac a center or do you want to go iPad only?

    I have a mac but I prefer iPad only (it's more fun :)

    Do you already have some audio and/or midi interfaces for the iPads?

    Yes I have RME babyface pro

    But i think if you bounce/freeze then you don´t need the power of multiple ipads.

    Ok, I wasn't sure either if I actually wanted that kind of solution. I was just curious if there were some easy way to use my other ipads

    Thanks for your suggestions

    You can actually get 16 mono or 8 stereo outs digitally (no unecessary D/A and A/D conversion ) from one iPad to another using the Ica4+ with the master one having 4 mono or 2 stereo outs.... Personally that's more than enough for my needs.

    I also want to point to iOS 11 IDAM even it will not be available to iPad mini 1 (right?)
    https://aud-ios.com/2017/06/24/ios-11-features-list-for-music-production/

    For studio use iconnectivity devices are great but you also could use audiomux/midimux-like apps with your mac... but I'm agree iOS-only is more fun and obviously... portable. Your RME fits the description, the iconnectivity devices (the intersting ones) not. That's only my humble opinion of course.

    Using each devices as isolated but able to be interconnected make them more versatile into my eyes (using audiomidimux etc for the studio)

    studiomux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/vthN5.i

    midimux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/5heA5.i

    musicIO: Audio and MIDI over USB por Power Trio
    https://appsto.re/es/iLaL5.i

    :wink:

  • @Dubbylabby said:

    studiomux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/vthN5.i

    midimux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/5heA5.i

    musicIO: Audio and MIDI over USB por Power Trio
    https://appsto.re/es/iLaL5.i

    :wink:

    Lots of cool options. Very helpful, thank you

  • @fattigman said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

    Interesting solution, thanks

    I would also suggest considering running one iPad Mini as a controller (whether that's Bluetooth MIDI or Audiobus Remote, or...?) for the iPad Pro.

    The iPad Pro 9.7" can handle a lot, but the issue you will always have with iOS is that switching apps risks drop outs and crackles. The more you can do without having to switch apps, the better.

  • edited July 2017

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @fattigman said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

    Interesting solution, thanks

    Glad to know you find it useful. Add a mixer into those "audiomidi" interfaces I pointed.

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @fattigman said:

    @dreamrobe said:
    It depends.
    Do you want a single stereo out from each iPad? Or do you want 4-8 mono outs?

    Never thought of that. Guess 4-8 mono outs is more flexible?

    Do you want/can have a mac a center or do you want to go iPad only?

    I have a mac but I prefer iPad only (it's more fun :)

    Do you already have some audio and/or midi interfaces for the iPads?

    Yes I have RME babyface pro

    But i think if you bounce/freeze then you don´t need the power of multiple ipads.

    Ok, I wasn't sure either if I actually wanted that kind of solution. I was just curious if there were some easy way to use my other ipads

    Thanks for your suggestions

    You can actually get 16 mono or 8 stereo outs digitally (no unecessary D/A and A/D conversion ) from one iPad to another using the Ica4+ with the master one having 4 mono or 2 stereo outs.... Personally that's more than enough for my needs.

    I also want to point to iOS 11 IDAM even it will not be available to iPad mini 1 (right?)
    https://aud-ios.com/2017/06/24/ios-11-features-list-for-music-production/

    For studio use iconnectivity devices are great but you also could use audiomux/midimux-like apps with your mac... but I'm agree iOS-only is more fun and obviously... portable. Your RME fits the description, the iconnectivity devices (the intersting ones) not. That's only my humble opinion of course.

    Using each devices as isolated but able to be interconnected make them more versatile into my eyes (using audiomidimux etc for the studio)

    studiomux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/vthN5.i

    midimux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/5heA5.i

    musicIO: Audio and MIDI over USB por Power Trio
    https://appsto.re/es/iLaL5.i

    :wink:

    The latency for studiomux and audiomux was just unbearable for me. Personally I like to keep latency below 4ms. And studiomux just wasn't capable of it. Once you pile up a bunch of effects that delay becomes extremely noticeable when recording into a different device. My ica4+ has < 3ms in ableton when recording.

  • @aplourde said:

    I would also suggest considering running one iPad Mini as a controller (whether that's Bluetooth MIDI or Audiobus Remote, or...?) for the iPad Pro.

    The iPad Pro 9.7" can handle a lot, but the issue you will always have with iOS is that switching apps risks drop outs and crackles. The more you can do without having to switch apps, the better.

    Thanks, I'll laborate with the different solutions and see which suits best for my needs

  • edited July 2017

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @fattigman said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

    Interesting solution, thanks

    Glad to know you find it useful. Add a mixer into those "audiomidi" interfaces I pointed.

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @fattigman said:

    @dreamrobe said:
    It depends.
    Do you want a single stereo out from each iPad? Or do you want 4-8 mono outs?

    Never thought of that. Guess 4-8 mono outs is more flexible?

    Do you want/can have a mac a center or do you want to go iPad only?

    I have a mac but I prefer iPad only (it's more fun :)

    Do you already have some audio and/or midi interfaces for the iPads?

    Yes I have RME babyface pro

    But i think if you bounce/freeze then you don´t need the power of multiple ipads.

    Ok, I wasn't sure either if I actually wanted that kind of solution. I was just curious if there were some easy way to use my other ipads

    Thanks for your suggestions

    You can actually get 16 mono or 8 stereo outs digitally (no unecessary D/A and A/D conversion ) from one iPad to another using the Ica4+ with the master one having 4 mono or 2 stereo outs.... Personally that's more than enough for my needs.

    I also want to point to iOS 11 IDAM even it will not be available to iPad mini 1 (right?)
    https://aud-ios.com/2017/06/24/ios-11-features-list-for-music-production/

    For studio use iconnectivity devices are great but you also could use audiomux/midimux-like apps with your mac... but I'm agree iOS-only is more fun and obviously... portable. Your RME fits the description, the iconnectivity devices (the intersting ones) not. That's only my humble opinion of course.

    Using each devices as isolated but able to be interconnected make them more versatile into my eyes (using audiomidimux etc for the studio)

    studiomux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/vthN5.i

    midimux por AppBC
    https://appsto.re/es/5heA5.i

    musicIO: Audio and MIDI over USB por Power Trio
    https://appsto.re/es/iLaL5.i

    :wink:

    The latency for studiomux and audiomux was just unbearable for me. Personally I like to keep latency below 4ms. And studiomux just wasn't capable of it. Once you pile up a bunch of effects that delay becomes extremely noticeable when recording into a different device. My ica4+ has < 3ms in ableton when recording.

    I didn't tried them so just a possibility... anyways iconnectivity products also have some driver OS issues over the time that their need to fix everytime macOS is updated. Dare with these things should be take in consideration since these aren't cheap devices neither. Also I didn't will need to handle more than 4 io audio channels which could be addressed with something like EIE (as example). For fx I will use a dedicated device instead the same as I pointed to avoid going too further. Different needs, different solutions...

    ...

    There is no perfect solution just one better than other relative to own needs.

    ...

    Sometimes, less is more.

    ...

    @aplourde said:

    @fattigman said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    My suggestion is use each device as dedicated machines i.e.:

    • iPad mini A as synth
    • iPad mini B as fx unit (for vocal processing, for fx send...)
    • iPad pro as DAW, djing center piece...

    Then buy the audiomidi interfaces with that in mind and adjusted to your budget.

    Interesting solution, thanks

    I would also suggest considering running one iPad Mini as a controller (whether that's Bluetooth MIDI or Audiobus Remote, or...?) for the iPad Pro.

    The iPad Pro 9.7" can handle a lot, but the issue you will always have with iOS is that switching apps risks drop outs and crackles. The more you can do without having to switch apps, the better.

    Good point. Even using one of them as screen for mac with splashtop2/duet apps. Not my actual cup of tea ATM but tried and work flawless with an old iPad3.
    Audiobus remote or Lemur/touchOSC could add some interesting options to the right setup/workflow.

    Maybe the point will be know the OP workflow so @fattigman what do you want to accomplish and how do you imagine it could be done? Do you need ultralow latency? Portability? Etc...

    Tell us more since all of us could be right or wrong but nobody could choose for you at last...

  • @bleep said:
    Here is a related noob question regarding audio between iDevices; is it possible to connect multiple iDevices using a USB hub only?

    One can send audio digitally to a Mac with El Capitan using usb only, so one should think an audio interface would not be needed between two iPads either. Is it so? I don't have a usb hub, so I can't test it. Would be happy if someone did it. It seems so unneccesary to need an interface for sending a digital signal from one point to the other, when usb is all you need.

    I think this is relevant for many hobbyists dabbling with audio where old iDevices pile up after upgrades.

    iOS 11. Look at my IDAM link.

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    iOS 11. Look at my IDAM link.

    I had a look at your IDAM link, which talks about iOS to OS. All good, but I don't see why this shouldn't work for iOS to iOS also. Maybe it will? With just a usb hub in betweeen. Or is that unrealistic?

  • One of the iPad minis would work well with AB remote.

  • edited July 2017

    Mmmm I think is iOS to iOS since simple Audio recording from iOS to macOS is available at the moment without extra hardware or apps if I'm not wrong...

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19235/ios-11-idam/p1

    Not sure. iOS to mac more than probably (includding broadcasting) but iOS to iOS even seem possible maybe will be not delivered...

    ATM for iOS to iOS the iconnectivity are the only direct digital solution I think.

  • pretty sure iDAM is only IOS to MacOS. not IOS to IOS. we will know for sure after it publicly comes out. But so far the betas don't seem to have IOS/IOS audio/midi.

  • Midiflow blutooth midi

  • @Dubbylabby said:

    Maybe the point will be know the OP workflow so @fattigman what do you want to accomplish and how do you imagine it could be done? Do you need ultralow latency? Portability? Etc...

    My original thoughts were I have 3 ipads but I only use one for making music and even though it's a pro the cpu usage gets high after loading a couple of effects and synths. How can I use the other 2 to spread the cpu usage.
    If I have to choose between latency and portability I'll choose low latency.

  • @Telefunky said:
    you may consider an iConnectAudio4+ interface, which can connect to 2 iPads simulatanously (digital streams of audio and midi) and can add the 3rd iPad's headphone out into ports 3/4 by analog cable.

    Man, thanks for that info.
    I did not know that was possible.

  • @fattigman said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    Maybe the point will be know the OP workflow so @fattigman what do you want to accomplish and how do you imagine it could be done? Do you need ultralow latency? Portability? Etc...

    My original thoughts were I have 3 ipads but I only use one for making music and even though it's a pro the cpu usage gets high after loading a couple of effects and synths. How can I use the other 2 to spread the cpu usage.
    If I have to choose between latency and portability I'll choose low latency.

    Then the iconnectivity gets some points.

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    Then the iconnectivity gets some points.

    Definitely gonna check it out, thanks

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