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Live Looping MIDI
I know this topic has been talked about before, but I'm curious to how people are doing this. I have Modstep, Infinite Looper, Genome, Gadget...
I'm using my Launchpad pro to facilitate my guitar chain/hardware looper in doing live on the fly stuff. I've tried all the above apps to live loop MIDI with mixed results. I really just want to be able to loop my LaunchPad and control the result with audiobus remote. I really want Modstep to be the one, but they all have good qualities. None of them really "do it for me" ya know? Or maybe they can, hence this post. Thoughts?
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I'm really wanting to Live Loop MIDI as well.
I was really excited by Infinite Looper - but it hasn't proven to "do it" for me either.. It needed more MIDI control options to record / start / stop / swap loops / overdub / go from scene to scene etc.. which I was hoping would be addressed in an update ( was it?? I have not even checked out the new version yet.. lol )
I tried Gadget as well which also has very little control options (except via Korg Nano controls )
In desperation I tried BM3 yesterday and I was quite impressed. The MIDI does actually loop so you can build up patterns on the fly - and it has a decent auto quantise. It even can record audio patterns (loops) whilst the groove is still playing - but I wouldn't want to use it as my main looper. Unfortunately it is a bit buggy and there are some problems with it remembering which MIDI channel is assigned to which Bank - and they tend to all play at the same time or not at all - or only the one that is selected and not the one that it supposed to. Also it keeps playing the AU instruments a semitone out of tune which is very annoying.
I am hoping that the new Loopy will be the answer to my prayers as Michael says it will loop MIDI.
I think you should revisit infinite.
I don't know when you last checked it, but over time it has gained midi learn and a special Launchpad mode.
My main issue with MIDI live looping is that it never seems to catch the first note.
Yup you're right... it does have Launchpad mode. That was one of the main reasons I bought it. BUT...I can't find any information or tutorials about it anywhere. I have no clue about what to do, and my MIDI knowledge is pretty decent. If you can provide me links I'll check it out...
Absolutely right...
I seem to do good with Gadget if I have an ableton link drummer app going and watching the on screen count in...but I don't wanna be chained to closed system of Gadget....
This doesn't happen to me in Gadget but strangely does a lot in BM3. There should be some kind of first note compensation feature that brings the note from the end of the bar to the top.
Indeed...Agreed...
Yeah I've noticed that Gadget is kind to notes played early when looping.. that is.. just before beat 1 (so usually at the end of bar 4 when looping) .Those notes still sound out for their full duration rather than being clipped after a microsecond.
Yeah an expansion and explanation of the launchpad mode and extra MIDI controllability were what I was hoping for in this update. I did take a quick look at the MIDI bindings and they seem the same as previously - it was only a couple of months ago I bought it. I think IL is good for what it seems to be designed for - sketching out ideas and then exporting them elsewhere to work on as songs. It doesn't seem to be totally aimed at live performances.. (yet?)
@SecretBaseDesign
....what do you think?
@SecretBaseDesign Along these lines, I noticed that if I hold a note after a two measure take has ended, then insert it, I sometimes end up with three measures in the cell. It's easy to fix, but fyi. Also, it would be very handy to have the take display autoscroll so I can see the current take as it's being played. Especially needed on the phone.
It's not to where it needs to be for live looping, but I'm moving in that direction. One of the critical things on the to-do list for development is to be able to separate MIDI input streams for controlling the app, capturing notes, and monitoring the Launchpad -- that's really the key to getting the whole thing to work cleanly. At the moment, the app only watches the MIDI that comes in, but does not care where it came from.
If you've set up MIDI learn to have a B note toggle record.... it makes it hard to record a B note. And that's sort of the hiccup with the Launchpad -- it sends the pad presses out as notes.
There's basic Launchpad support now -- tap the gear icon, toggle to automation, and enable it. Incoming MIDI from the LP pads will toggle on/off loops, so you can use it that way. If you configure the MIDI interface for the Launchpad (button below the on/off toggle), it'll switch the lights on the launchpad to match the active loops. But as noted -- if Launchpad support is on, the app ignores external incoming MIDI, so you can't record from an external keyboard. Stuff like the play/stop button needs support too.
In the next update or so -- you'll be able to select a MIDI interface and channel for Launchpad control, a separate MIDI interface and channel for the MIDI learn/control functionality, and then have other MIDI events be recorded and processed as normal. In my rig, I've got a Launchpad, a GuitarWing, Stompwatch, an external keyboard, an FCB 1010, MIDI coming in over Apollo, and a Fishman TriplePlay.... So I've got a bit of an incentive to get it all to work nicely.
Oh -- I know exactly what's happening there, and will push out a fix shortly. Autoscroll will get taken care of too.
Ahhhh...gotcha! Makes sense...
GuitarWing...TriplePlay...ahhh man, sounds like you're zoned in! We gearheads will always find a way to "get it all working nicely"...
Have been contemplating the TriplePlay for awhile, but only want to use it with iOS. Do you notice any difference in the latency between Mac and ios? And if using with iOS, are you using just a CCK or an iConnectivity device? Selling points for me...just curious.
The TriplePlay has a little USB receiver, and I plug that into a FocusRite iTrack Dock, but it also works fine with a CCK. No detectable latency in either case; it really is pretty amazing; I had been longing for a Roland system for a billion years, and never could bring myself to pay what they were asking -- the TriplePlay hit the buy-it-now price point, and is far better than I could have hoped. Not being able to afford a Roland was what drove me to doing pitch-to-MIDI apps; Infinite Looper and MIDImorphosis have this, but they're nowhere near as good as the TriplePlay -- so that's what I use when I'm at home with the full rig.
Have you tried MIDI guitar 2? Wondering if the triple play is better than that app in terms of latency. MG2 is amazing but there is a hint of latency still when playing fast or percussively.
Midi Guitar 2 on iOS is kinda the poor man's tripleplay...yet tripleplay is cheaper and has less latency than the Roland systems from what I've heard.
MG2 works for me, but it can be finicky. I gig with it regularly, but you have to really think about how you're going to use it ahead of time to avoid issues, as it unfortunately goes hayhire with certain instruments in thumbjam. I have to run it into an ABYbox, so it can be easily muted. Currently i use a dedicated ipad or ipod 6gen just for it alone to avoid problems. But I'm sure that a better interface than an iRig Pro will yield better results. (it is small, battery powered and easy to setup though)
TriplePlay is much better. The challenge of extracting pitch from the audio signal, when it's six strings mixed together -- plus whatever tone knob weirdness there is with the pickups -- really tough. The TriplePlay has a dedicated pickup per string, and is mounted right by the bridge, where the signal is going to be cleanest -- and then on-board FFT, and some sort of weird Zigbee wireless connection to the USB connector, with amazingly low latency. I've talked a bit with one of the engineers who did the radio work for Fishman -- absolutely at the top of his game.