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PPG Infinite
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Here's Wolfgang Palm's latest iOS synth PPG Infinite that's in development.
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Definately not the best demo video it reminded me of this.
Not exciting fo sho'
@RustiK Definite Crocket & Tubbs material. Solving capers cocaine testarossa style. Will be interesting to see what this app will offer over something like Nave.
Wolfgang Palm does quality work and updates his apps. You have access to a lot of controls in his synths so they're great for those who like to roll their own presets. He also provides AU support and excellent MIDI MPE support.
It's been almost two years since Nave was last updated and the same with their Attack app.
I'd rate Phonem as the most baffling synth on my iPad. Some of the presets sound great, but I've never been able to create my own. Life's too short so I'll boot up Nave instead.
Damn, I was pondering buying Phonem this week. Might wait for PPG Infinite instead.
Take a look at Simon Stockhausen's (aka PatchPool) 4 tutorial videos on YT. This is the first of them:
Phoenem is definitely a very specialized synth with lots of more complex options to figure out and is really very different from Nave.
Thanks, I've watched a few others but will give this a go.
Which is why the Dev needs to provide good, in depth tutorials and provide a UI that's intuitive and easy to use. I'm no synth newbie, but I struggle with this one.
The app takes the approach of modeling the human vocal tract which has lots of moving parts. It's therefore significantly different than other synths in terms of the complexity of the controls and parameters needed to use it.
If you haven't seen this quick start tutorial video yet, it could help you to understand the app better.
There is also a 42 page PDF manual for Phonem.
the problem with this and some other (excellent) synths on desktop by C2Audio (Kaleidoscope, B2) is that their sound models are ALL based of resonator models with a singificant metallic tonal character.
No such thing exists in nature, be it human or resonating wood.
In the end all such stuff sounds like wavetable or granular synthesis anyway, regardless of complexity or effort.
It depends on what you like. If you're trying to model natural sounds accurately this wouldn't be the way to go I think. Many of the presets which come with Phonem do not have a significant harsh metallic tonal character though others may find it's not what they're looking for..
it's less about my personal taste but about a (probably) missing algorithmic approach - pure observation without any judgement in mind.
sidenote:
The only app that puzzles me (in this context) is iVCS which I assume to be based on granular processing since all Apesoft/Amazing Noizes stuff seems to be.
Even more because their Mood app (Minimoog inspired) brings a surprisingly amount of that 'metallic' soundprint.
It's not a bad thing per se, but if too many sources are based on such spectral content it becomes annoying to my ears for a lack of acoustic balance.
back on topic I haven't read the latest news about Infinite, and I'm curious how 'different' results this approach will deliver sonically.
when is it's release date?
You can bring granular stuff in a limited way if you want, but the core app is an analog model of the original VCS3. I'd say the majority of their apps are not granular.
True, but Kaleidoscope f.e. is a complete different thing. It´s not easy to get pleasing results often and it has a steep learning curve but it offers some amazing complex sounds and tunings in every possible way, no other tool can do.
But it´s a special tool for ambient and soundscapes sound design (but also can do more of course). Would need pages to explain what it all can do. But i agree that it has a very distinct character.
It´s also more a FX than a synth of course (but also can create sounds of it´s own).
It´s what i´m more interested in these days, creative FX. A lot synths sounds amazing these days and offer all a different character but FX can transform any sound in something interesting or different.
B2 has nothing to do with resonators it is also "just" a FX (mainly reverberation) but it can do so much and the sound quality and depth is just amazing.
You even can cascade or layer a lot instances of huge reverbs without you got much (if any) aliasing and lost details etc.
It´s a flavor also and some people might not like it and prefer other tools but for me it´s the best algorithm i ever heard in terms of reverberation (you also can use 4X oversampling which is not common in reverbs i think) and especially the density and depth of the sound is king for me. But it uses a bit of cpu (not as much as Kaleidoscope).
Back to topic....i´m very interested in PPG Infinite since it sounds like it fits my flavor
But desktop version is "later this year" and i doubt an iPhone version will come.
Since the latest iPads seems to have trouble i have to wait for a while (and i would like to demo it on desktop anywy first).
well, let's not get too picky with the term 'resonator'.
A digital filter is just a time specific delay (filters can resonate) and reverbs are built of delays.
So in the end it's all about the same basic toolchest, but with an amazingly variable amount of applications.
(I'm in fact tempted to get some hands on those C2A apps, as they do sound great indeed)
Yet I somewhat fail to see a clear difference of anything mentioned in this thread that sets it apart from the soundprint of the original wavetable theme by Palm and Waldorf.
(not those sample players under the same label, iirc Wolfgang once regretted he didn't establish 'wavetable' as a brand)
Another idea that once crossed my mind was that focus (generally) is put too much into complex methods, supposing they deliver superior results.
I have a synth with 3 oscillators (two 2 Op FMs, 1 noise), followed by 2 resonators and a filter stage - in other words: as primitive as one can imagine.
But the thing can do totally convincing Rhodes, bass, brass, flute, strings etc, aside from all kind of traditional or wiered synthetic sounds - only by clever parameter settings.
Tbh I have no idea why this works at all.
Unfortunately it's licecensed to a piece of hardware that has a ram-chip error and I never used a heat gun to unsolder SMD chips, mucho fear here... and off checking Infinite news
Key features:
New system which can synthesize harmonic and inharmonic sounds
Morpher - X/Y controller which morphes 5 user selectable sine resources
Noiser - X/Y controller morphing 3 noise resources and performing modulations on the tonal part
Molder - acts as a digital filter with any amaginable filter sweeps
Two detail editor pages for the Sine resources featuring a 3D display
Import WTS and TCS files from the iPad WaveGenerator and WaveMapper
Import Phonem utterances and use them in the Infinite Molder
Versatile matrix system - allowing 16 sources to control 40 parameters
10 Envelopes, for control of filter sweeps, waveform, noise and many modulations
4 LFOs which can be freely routed via the matrix
Delay/Reverb effect
Overdrive/Distortion effect
A/B compare your edited sounds
AU extension - run multiple Infinite instances in AU hosts
IAA - inter-app audio support
Audiobus 2 with statesaving
Export audio to AudioShare
Preset browser with new listing filters
Directly accessible context help for each module
Freely configurable schematic keypads, with extremely expressive modulation options
4 Keypads play modes: Poly, Mono, Legato and Multitrigger.
4 MIDI modes: Omni, Poly, Mono, and Voice-Per-Channel.
http://wolfgangpalm.com/iinfinite.html
Sounds interesting, hoping there are sounds that can be produced that have a less demonic possession feel to them
What?!
I'm always on the lookout for more demonic possession feel.
Well you obviously picked the right forum
Ha!
when? i'm ready cash in hand
PPG Phonem was just updated to include export to PPG Infinite as a new feature, can't be long now!
Just noticed that this will have access to the sounds from WaveMapper and WaveGenerator as well, a huge amount and variety of raw material for people that own the other stuff. Some of the best sounding and most powerful synths out there to my ears.
i saw that to i. phonem update. i wonder how this will import into infinite
Next week according to Wolfgangs Facebook page!!
That has to be the worlds smallest mod matrix.
Thanx, I have been checking AppStore every other hour for his new app...
I'm a big Wolfgang fan. Both Palm and Mozart lol