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WOW Behringer Model D sounds just like a Moog
Im so getting one asap at $299
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F**K Behringer! Roland 4 Life!!
Just kidding. That does in fact sound like a clone of the original.
lol
$299? Don't mind if I do. Sounds pretty spectacular.
Nice. But I only had to listen till 17:06 to see why people pay thousands for real Moog. = FAT bass
I'm hearing a slight difference in the envelope, the Moog sounds a little "clickier"... but it's pretty damn close to the real thing. Surprised Behringer pulled this off for $300, they're going to move some units.
^ definitely true. It sounds great for $299.
Definitely cool. Pulled a trigger on a Minilogue a few months ago and still getting to know that, but this looks pretty reasonable for a module mono synth.
I wonder if the knobs will feel as shaky and cheap as the Deepmind. I had a go at the Deepmind in Guitar Center and boy did it ever feel cheap and ready to fall apart.
There was so much play in the knobs I felt like I was pulling on a loose tooth with every one I tweaked. I just wonder how well they will hold up over time. I can't imagine these clones holding up for any length of time with any amount of regular abuse...kids...jamming...getting in the zone and leaning in.
Anyhoo. It does sounds nice...but I like gear that holds up to Father Time...
I guess time will tell.
Behringer has no original ideas or soul. I'm sure they'll sell a ton, but they're copycats that I don't respect or wish to give my money to.
Definitely hard to ignore at that price
Kind of reminds me of the comparison between old and new Oddys, very close but not identical, but then again those knobs aren't digitally precise, so there's going to be a slight difference.
That was true at one time, but their digital mixers are anything but non original. And the thing with the minimoog is that it is not a patented design. Studio electronics built minimoog clones for a long time, didn't seem that people got on them too much. And how many strat, Tele, p-bass, and j-bass copies are out there?
Now, what really will be the test is to see how many of these synths still work correctly in a few years - this is definitely using cheaper parts than moog that sound pretty close now but who knows how they'll hold up over time? That being said, old minimoogs often require maintenance as well.
Just caught some of the video, I think it's awesome that hank hill has decided to do synth demos now!
Their Deepmind twelve is also absolutely amazing sounding! I use their PA equipment and have for several years with no problems. This company is definitely making a good mark as of late.
it's still true as those mixers come from aquired companies now under the holding 'Music Group' holding.
(I'd even refuse that synth if they paid me $299 for it)
But the things will last - it's just SMD... like my Powermac from 1998 (?), spiced by 2 ProTools TDM cards.
The reason why they (and others) can offer such gear dead cheap is mass-production and progress in semiconductor technology. You don't need to hand-select filter transistors anymore - instead you use a transistor array with highly uniform specs.
You should look into this more. Nearly all musical hardware is a more or less exact copy of something else on a component level. The filter on this synth for example has been used in countless commercial products from big companies before.
I'm certain this specific filter isn't the point @robertreynolds tries to make.
Behringer copied everything that has been established by someone else at some point in time, including (but not restricted to) visual design. Everything.
Saving marketing efforts, avoiding risks - to break any price and (frequently) delivered lower quality while pretending world class.
My first micophone was a Behringer BM8500, suggested by the local dealer with a warm: you can use this instead of the Shure SM58, sounds the same.
I paid $99 for a piece of shit, that isn't even remotely sounding like a 58.
Didn't take me 1 minute to spot the difference many years later.
Behringer made a fortune with his personal Robin Hood attitude - and I have to respect his business success. But that's about it... everything else is - snip -
Well for example 303 has been made countless of clones of, some sound more like the original, some look more like the original. But no one seems to be whining about them. So because behringer gets so much crap from doing a copy of model d, it seems to have something else to it than just the fact that behringer made a clone of model d. What do you think those other factors are?
yes, but don't overestimate the dissers (including myself and Robert)
Behringer gained quite some reputation during the last years worldwide.
Their Adat converters are appreciated a lot, as are the small USB mixers (though some of the most lifeless vocal tracks I know originate from those things).
After all Model-D is THE synthesizer icon, represents value and has been hard to copy in traditional production ways.
Somewhat similiar to vintage guitars/basses, where affordable releases can be stunningly close old specimen.
Looks like (some ?) owners of 'real gear' feel p*ssed off that suddenly anyone can get their presumably exclusive sound for bargain - which of course no one would ever admit
Seems like everyone wants to have something to be p*ssed off about. A $299 analog synth that sounds this good makes a lot more sense for me than a $3k synth that doesn't sound $2.7k better. There are no legal issues here so who cares. Remember the ARP Odyssey's with the Moog filters? A lot of people are OK with lusting after those...
A lot more people will get their hands on this than could ever afford a Moog. Which means more people or varying backgrounds will be able to make synth music. Which has to be a good thing. I mean have you seen the stuff people were making rave/IDM on in the 90s. But because it was cheap/accessible, they just went and did it anyway.
never mind, it was just an attempt to explain according to a question asked.
Personally I'm not p*ssed to the slightest degree, but I've always been a confessing hater of this particular company... after some personal experience and after I witnessed sales talks about them and their items.
Damn shure U.B. doesn't five a f*ck on my blurb
Have to agree with this statement... there is a very noticeable sonic difference in the bass, the clone doesn't exhibit the subsonics, and the demonstrator pretty much just glosses over the disparity.
It's always surprised me the depth of invective against Behringer. I've had several pieces of their equipment over the years, mixers and effects units; never had a lick of trouble, and not been left wanting by the products.
While I'm not in the market for hardware synths any longer, I'd snap one of these up in a heartbeat if I was still inclined.
Can't you still pick up a real 58 for around $99?
I would have imagined a Behringer knockoff costing about $40.
that happened ages ago - around y2k, the Shure was 199, the Behringer 99
I had no ideas about clones or whatever
Behringer makes some great stuff. I have one of their interfaces, a mic (XM8500, I'm no mic expert, but I don't hear much if any difference to my SM57 for five times the money), use one of their personal monitoring boxes every week, and play through an X32 mixer which has a cool app that lets you control your personal mix. All sounds great and is rock solid and reliable.
And also, I had a defective TC Electronic product that I didn't have much luck getting replaced before they were bought out by Behringer, but just recently I messaged them and without any issues they just sent me a replacement without any hesitation or hassle.
I'm not really a key player, but I have a Minilogue that I enjoy noodling with. I can see myself being tempted to add the Behringer to the mix.
At the end of the day it is a 3 OSC, well featured, analogue mono synth.....for less than $300
What's not to like
all company image left aside:
the SM57 has a very distinctive tight mid range, which gives it a special tone and a great resolution over it's full spectrum.
The 8500 kacks this tightness, has a boomy bottom and emphasized highs - the latter misleading people to believe it has 'resolution'.
Mic handling is rather noisy due to a cheap, resonating shaft.
Let the mic dangle from a cable and hit the shaft with a pencil: allmost a bell.
A bad thing as it influences the capsule's response, too.
The Shure capsule is a great design and a classic for some reason: it's even used in their expensive SM7b.
Of course you only sense the difference on gear that is capable to handle such details (that's what preamps are about).
You may like whatever fits your taste, but you can't tell it's a great product just because you never had the opportunity to hear the difference
I'm glad someone else noticed this! I have nothing against Behringer, but the difference is so obvious in those few seconds where he goes between the two low end notes. It makes you wonder why the reviewer didn't mention it. Was he getting paid to not say anything bad... while pointing out the obvious? =D
Anyway, If I were in the market for a fun, economical synth I would still go for it.
Well that sounds reasonable.
LOL
Love it