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Ripplemaker is my surprise fave app this year

CalverhallCalverhall
in General App Discussion

Paired with Patterning it is my most functional improvising set up so far

There are some deep beasts I'm lusting after like Layr and Kaspar but the immediacy and unpredictability that comes with its West Coast modular system keeps me jamming for hours without pause. Plus that original Bran Bos sequencer is awesome and refreshing.

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    All their apps are top notch - great design, rock solid and sensibly priced.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    Anyone got any examples of west coast synthesis used in a popular musical context....I am too old to have even heard of West coast prior to o-coast and ripplemaker.

  • VincentTVincentT
    edited August 2017

    I'm sure West Coast synthesis is older than i am. And i am 44. But i don't know any popular music that features it. I am sure people like Aphex Twin and such have played with it but is that popular? Try Morton Subotnik's music. pure west coast.

  • ciancian

    Nine inch nails more recent stuff. A lot of European techs and post dubstep. Radiohead probably. James Holden. Nothing top 40

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @cian said:
    Nine inch nails more recent stuff. A lot of European techs and post dubstep. Radiohead probably. James Holden. Nothing top 40

    @VincentT said:
    I'm sure West Coast synthesis is older than i am. And i am 44. But i don't know any popular music that features it. I am sure people like Aphex Twin and such have played with it but is that popular? Try Morton Subotnik's music. pure west coast.

    Thanks peeps...you gave me the pointers I needed to understand what East/West coast synthesis means. )

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    Ripplemaker and Phosphor win the year for me. I seriously doubt anything else will be released that provides the fun factor + quality sound.

  • CalverhallCalverhall

    The Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith LP EARS from last year was made with Buchla Music Easel, which is a West coast classic.
    Also Surgeons last LP was made with it. Its got such an alien sound.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @Calverhall said:
    The Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith LP EARS from last year was made with Buchla Music Easel, which is a West coast classic.
    Also Surgeons last LP was made with it. Its got such an alien sound.

    I really liked her Sunergy album with Suzanne Ciani.

  • guidinglightguidinglight

    @oat_phipps said:

    @Calverhall said:
    The Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith LP EARS from last year was made with Buchla Music Easel, which is a West coast classic.
    Also Surgeons last LP was made with it. Its got such an alien sound.

    I really liked her Sunergy album with Suzanne Ciani.

    Great album. Ciani also uses Animoog.

  • aplourdeaplourde

    @AndyPlankton said:
    Thanks peeps...you gave me the pointers I needed to understand what East/West coast synthesis means. )

    In the way that Troublemaker is not a Roland TB-303, Ripplemaker is not a Make Noise 0-Coast.

    The 0-Coast is so named because it's supposed to be a mix of West and East coast paradigms. That said, the 0-Coast is probably more in the the synthesis "Rocky Mountains" than the synthesis "Kansas" (i.e. it skews more to the West Coast than a pure blend).

    Ripplemaker actually incorporates more East Coast elements to firmly put it in the synthesis "Midwest":

    • direct control of Lowpass Gate cutoff frequency and ability to shift the balance between straight gating and straight filtering (0-Coast has a regular, West Coast, LPG design where cutoff is tied to level and filtering is subtle; although the circuit is not designed with vactrols, so it has a faster, East Coast, response)
    • individual control of ADSR rates (0-Coast has one knob for both Decay and Release)
    • independent VCA/Gain (0-Coast only has the LPG for dynamics)

    Additionally, Ripplemaker has some features not found on the 0-Coast that are common in both East and West coast:

    • S&H / Noise generator
    • LFO

    And one major advantage: It's an AU that you can run multiple instances of and you can automate all the knob twiddling!

    That said, there are a couple of design decisions on Ripplemaker that I think are better handled on the 0-Coast:

    • a major one for me is the lack of attenuverters, or even simple attenuators, on inputs. With Ripplemaker all input "CVs" are scaled from 0 to wherever the knob is. On the 0-Coast inputs for Overtone, Multiply (essentially Fold and Push in Ripplemaker) and the Utility section are scaled and/or inverted with an attenuator or attenuverter and the resulting signal is applied from wherever the main knob is set. This allows you to, for example, modulate a control from 50% to 100%.
    • the 0-Coast has direct output of the triangle and square waves and has a balance control right before the LPG, so you can go crazy with the wave shaping, but still mix back in some of the fundamental to better root the tonality (or you can feed an external input...)
    • speaking of the wave shaper, the 0-Coast can get a lot more wacky than Ripplemaker. Ripplemaker sounds great, but the 0-Coast can sound insane.
    • 0-Coast has a Tap Tempo button which is very useful for making rates jump quickly to different values. Your only direct, instantaneous control in Ripplemaker is the adjust the incoming MIDI clock/Link value
    • the 0-Coast can go to a logarithmic slope on the Slope and has exponential control for the Contour / Envelope

    All of this is to say that I absolutely love Ripplemaker... but it's probably solidified my intention to get an actual 0-Coast.

    BTW, for anyone who wants to get more out of Ripplemaker, check out the numerous videos of the 0-Coast on YouTube.
    The ones from Make Noise are great (especially the Patch of the Week clips):

    But a great place to start is the wonderful Mylarmelodies' demo:

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @aplourde serious post there. Did me some learning etc.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Congenial companion to ripplemaker: replicant 2 ;]

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @aplourde serious post there. Did me some learning etc.

    Likewise, thank you :)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    Dunno why i hesitated on this one, should have just trusted Bram....
    Bought, fiddled with, much, much, much, much, much, much, much more fiddling with to be done.
    Love it :)

  • ToMessToMess

    I kinda hesitated to buy this too, as i thought i already have too many synths. But bought it anyways and it seems really cool, and definitely a nice addition to my too large synth collection. Only made a one patch till now and was really surpriced on what this can do.
    So definitely recommend it, even if you think you already have too many synths!

  • wimwim

    Its like adding a ukulele or mandolin into an overly large stable of guitars. Sort of like a "not needed" addition to the collection but in a unique and very good way. B)

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @wim said:
    Its like adding a ukulele or mandolin into an overly large stable of guitars. Sort of like a "not needed" addition to the collection but in a unique and very good way. B)

    Great analogy. I've dialed in some nice bass presets with it that I wasn't expecting though.

  • CalverhallCalverhall

    Everytime I play with it, it surprises me, nevermind its functionality and interface, its the sound of this thing!

    Obvs tho, the initial appeal was with its west coast style interface, which is a nice educational playground that invites experimentation but my lord its lush. Not just an academic exercise.

    It makes me think about splashing out on the Troublemaker, even though I have a Volca bass and there are enough 303 emulators out there already.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @wim said:
    Its like adding a ukulele or mandolin into an overly large stable of guitars. Sort of like a "not needed" addition to the collection but in a unique and very good way. B)

    Great analogy. I've dialed in some nice bass presets with it that I wasn't expecting though.

    Same here..it certainly can go down low :)

  • wimwim

    @Calverhall said:
    Everytime I play with it, it surprises me, nevermind its functionality and interface, its the sound of this thing!

    Obvs tho, the initial appeal was with its west coast style interface, which is a nice educational playground that invites experimentation but my lord its lush. Not just an academic exercise.

    It makes me think about splashing out on the Troublemaker, even though I have a Volca bass and there are enough 303 emulators out there already.

    The biggest problem with Troublemaker is it wants to sneak into every damn track you make once you get it. One has to practically beat it back with a stick.

  • wimwim

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @wim said:
    Its like adding a ukulele or mandolin into an overly large stable of guitars. Sort of like a "not needed" addition to the collection but in a unique and very good way. B)

    Great analogy. I've dialed in some nice bass presets with it that I wasn't expecting though.

    OK, so maybe more like adding one of these ...

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    Ha, good one @wim! I like the Marshall amp hiding in the back of the photo.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @oat_phipps said:
    Ripplemaker and Phosphor win the year for me. I seriously doubt anything else will be released that provides the fun factor + quality sound.

    Kaspar not included ?

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    It's definitely not for me. I found it lacking in character as opposed to Ripplemaker and Phosphor.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @oat_phipps said:
    It's definitely not for me. I found it lacking in character as opposed to Ripplemaker and Phosphor.

    This thread has got me psyched to download these apps. Bloody exciting

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @triton100 said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    It's definitely not for me. I found it lacking in character as opposed to Ripplemaker and Phosphor.

    This thread has got me psyched to download these apps. Bloody exciting

    Pretty excellent deal for circa $15

  • erosseross

    so this is west coast. Buchla style synthesis..... what are other west coast style synths on ios?

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant
    edited August 2017

    I'd love a full-on tutorial series for Ripplemaker. I still have no idea what I'm doing. It's fun, though!

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    RippleMaker is a time vampire.

    RippleMaker with ELastic and Layr was a fun filled 2 hours on Saturday night.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @aplourde said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    Thanks peeps...you gave me the pointers I needed to understand what East/West coast synthesis means. )

    In the way that Troublemaker is not a Roland TB-303, Ripplemaker is not a Make Noise 0-Coast.

    The 0-Coast is so named because it's supposed to be a mix of West and East coast paradigms. That said, the 0-Coast is probably more in the the synthesis "Rocky Mountains" than the synthesis "Kansas" (i.e. it skews more to the West Coast than a pure blend).

    Ripplemaker actually incorporates more East Coast elements to firmly put it in the synthesis "Midwest":

    • direct control of Lowpass Gate cutoff frequency and ability to shift the balance between straight gating and straight filtering (0-Coast has a regular, West Coast, LPG design where cutoff is tied to level and filtering is subtle; although the circuit is not designed with vactrols, so it has a faster, East Coast, response)
    • individual control of ADSR rates (0-Coast has one knob for both Decay and Release)
    • independent VCA/Gain (0-Coast only has the LPG for dynamics)

    Additionally, Ripplemaker has some features not found on the 0-Coast that are common in both East and West coast:

    • S&H / Noise generator
    • LFO

    And one major advantage: It's an AU that you can run multiple instances of and you can automate all the knob twiddling!

    That said, there are a couple of design decisions on Ripplemaker that I think are better handled on the 0-Coast:

    • a major one for me is the lack of attenuverters, or even simple attenuators, on inputs. With Ripplemaker all input "CVs" are scaled from 0 to wherever the knob is. On the 0-Coast inputs for Overtone, Multiply (essentially Fold and Push in Ripplemaker) and the Utility section are scaled and/or inverted with an attenuator or attenuverter and the resulting signal is applied from wherever the main knob is set. This allows you to, for example, modulate a control from 50% to 100%.
    • the 0-Coast has direct output of the triangle and square waves and has a balance control right before the LPG, so you can go crazy with the wave shaping, but still mix back in some of the fundamental to better root the tonality (or you can feed an external input...)
    • speaking of the wave shaper, the 0-Coast can get a lot more wacky than Ripplemaker. Ripplemaker sounds great, but the 0-Coast can sound insane.
    • 0-Coast has a Tap Tempo button which is very useful for making rates jump quickly to different values. Your only direct, instantaneous control in Ripplemaker is the adjust the incoming MIDI clock/Link value
    • the 0-Coast can go to a logarithmic slope on the Slope and has exponential control for the Contour / Envelope

    All of this is to say that I absolutely love Ripplemaker... but it's probably solidified my intention to get an actual 0-Coast.

    BTW, for anyone who wants to get more out of Ripplemaker, check out the numerous videos of the 0-Coast on YouTube.
    The ones from Make Noise are great (especially the Patch of the Week clips):

    But a great place to start is the wonderful Mylarmelodies' demo:

    Que mas?

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