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Articles with tips on getting out of the 8 bar loop, also one on multitracking with Zoom h6

AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
edited August 2017 in General App Discussion

Fairly short but to the point

http://subaqueousmusic.com/how-to-escape-the-8-bar-loop-and-finish-more-tracks/

http://subaqueousmusic.com/recording-multi-track-with-ipad-and-zoom-h6/ (video gives a good view of the H6)

He also has free sampled instruments on his site for download.

Comments

  • jn2002dkjn2002dk

    Cheers

    Anything that can help when stuck in 8 bar loop mode is great!

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @jn2002dk said:
    Cheers

    Anything that can help when stuck in 8 bar loop mode is great!

    The part about when listening to the same loop for extended periods that you normalise yourself to it and your mistakes become part of the norm rings particularly true.

  • jn2002dkjn2002dk

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @jn2002dk said:
    Cheers

    Anything that can help when stuck in 8 bar loop mode is great!

    The part about when listening to the same loop for extended periods that you normalise yourself to it and your mistakes become part of the norm rings particularly true.

    Yup. I feel that his advice about getting the loop done quickly and then move on to sketch out the song, only to return later for polishing is really good advice

  • PurpanPurpan

    To us 2-bar people, eight bars seems already ambitious....

  • richardyotrichardyot

    I quite often build up tracks from loops. This is what works for me:

    Establish a beat/groove.

    Write lots of little loops to go with that beat. Take a few days/sessions just to come up with different musical ideas. anything between 6 to 10 ideas is good. I usually build a chord progression and/or a melody in each loop.

    Put it to one side for a few days or a week.

    Come back and listen. Discard all the crap. You should be left with 3 or 4 loops that are good.

    String them together to make a song. It's easy to make a verse/chorus/bridge if you have enough parts.

    Finally come back to the beat and create variations for the different sections.

    Works for me. YMMV. :)

  • jn2002dkjn2002dk

    @richardyot said:
    I quite often build up tracks from loops. This is what works for me:

    Establish a beat/groove.

    Write lots of little loops to go with that beat. Take a few days/sessions just to come up with different musical ideas. anything between 6 to 10 ideas is good. I usually build a chord progression and/or a melody in each loop.

    Put it to one side for a few days or a week.

    Come back and listen. Discard all the crap. You should be left with 3 or 4 loops that are good.

    String them together to make a song. It's easy to make a verse/chorus/bridge if you have enough parts.

    Finally come back to the beat and create variations for the different sections.

    Works for me. YMMV. :)

    Sounds like a good approach

    I'll have to try that :)

  • ChrisGChrisG

    8 bars! I'm in 4 bars land. Sometimes 1 bar, even 0,5. What magic is this? Software? I better read the articles.

    @richardyot Tips about putting aside a track, or melodies/ideas/sketches for a day or two is a good one. I learned this long ago and I got amazed at how different you listen to, or hear, that awesome song you did 2 days ago that all of a sudden is anything but awesome. The amount of unfinished stuff I got because of this is....staggering.:-)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @jn2002dk said:

    @richardyot said:
    I quite often build up tracks from loops. This is what works for me:

    Establish a beat/groove.

    Write lots of little loops to go with that beat. Take a few days/sessions just to come up with different musical ideas. anything between 6 to 10 ideas is good. I usually build a chord progression and/or a melody in each loop.

    Put it to one side for a few days or a week.

    Come back and listen. Discard all the crap. You should be left with 3 or 4 loops that are good.

    String them together to make a song. It's easy to make a verse/chorus/bridge if you have enough parts.

    Finally come back to the beat and create variations for the different sections.

    Works for me. YMMV. :)

    Sounds like a good approach

    I'll have to try that :)

    I'm too impatient for that, once I got something going I have to do something with it...I need to be a bit more disciplined I think.

  • jn2002dkjn2002dk

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @jn2002dk said:

    @richardyot said:
    I quite often build up tracks from loops. This is what works for me:

    Establish a beat/groove.

    Write lots of little loops to go with that beat. Take a few days/sessions just to come up with different musical ideas. anything between 6 to 10 ideas is good. I usually build a chord progression and/or a melody in each loop.

    Put it to one side for a few days or a week.

    Come back and listen. Discard all the crap. You should be left with 3 or 4 loops that are good.

    String them together to make a song. It's easy to make a verse/chorus/bridge if you have enough parts.

    Finally come back to the beat and create variations for the different sections.

    Works for me. YMMV. :)

    Sounds like a good approach

    I'll have to try that :)

    I'm too impatient for that, once I got something going I have to do something with it...I need to be a bit more disciplined I think.

    Even if a method doesn't work, i think switching things up could be good for creativity

  • encenc

    8 bars ... I wish :D

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @jn2002dk said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @jn2002dk said:

    @richardyot said:
    I quite often build up tracks from loops. This is what works for me:

    Establish a beat/groove.

    Write lots of little loops to go with that beat. Take a few days/sessions just to come up with different musical ideas. anything between 6 to 10 ideas is good. I usually build a chord progression and/or a melody in each loop.

    Put it to one side for a few days or a week.

    Come back and listen. Discard all the crap. You should be left with 3 or 4 loops that are good.

    String them together to make a song. It's easy to make a verse/chorus/bridge if you have enough parts.

    Finally come back to the beat and create variations for the different sections.

    Works for me. YMMV. :)

    Sounds like a good approach

    I'll have to try that :)

    I'm too impatient for that, once I got something going I have to do something with it...I need to be a bit more disciplined I think.

    Even if a method doesn't work, i think switching things up could be good for creativity

    very true

  • WillWill

    Here's a video showing multi-tracking on the h6 itself. Looks like kind of a bear to use in practice.

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg
    edited August 2017

    @AndyPlankton said:
    Fairly short but to the point

    http://subaqueousmusic.com/how-to-escape-the-8-bar-loop-and-finish-more-tracks/

    http://subaqueousmusic.com/recording-multi-track-with-ipad-and-zoom-h6/ (video gives a good view of the H6)

    He also has free sampled instruments on his site for download.

    Thanks for this, you know I need it!

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    Some really good tips in the article and the thread! Thanks for sharing.

  • mrufino1mrufino1

    Best thing for me is to get with collaborators and bounce all of our ideas around. We usually wind up somewhere that we didn't expect, which is better than always sounding the same. So I let whatever happens happen, I leave the loops or song snippets in Dropbox with all of our others and then we grab things that catch our ear at the time. One thing I've learned is never to discard an idea on my own or not put it in Dropbox - even if the idea doesn't wind up being in one of our songs it might spur on another idea.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @mrufino1 said:
    Best thing for me is to get with collaborators and bounce all of our ideas around. We usually wind up somewhere that we didn't expect, which is better than always sounding the same. So I let whatever happens happen, I leave the loops or song snippets in Dropbox with all of our others and then we grab things that catch our ear at the time. One thing I've learned is never to discard an idea on my own or not put it in Dropbox - even if the idea doesn't wind up being in one of our songs it might spur on another idea.

    Yes, yes, but this requires having contact with, you know, other people or even friends.

    All foolishness to one side, I am finding I have less and less patience with others (musically) these days. I was always a bit of a pleaser (sure, let's try that....), and I'm not certain if the multitude of possibilities that (so many) apps offer has maybe changed that, but I get irritated very quickly with the curvy lines others seem to have when I am sure that they're going in the wrong direction (read: a different direction to the one I'm feeling...).

    Do like @richardyot's notion of pieces. I have a tendency to find/refine an 8 or 16 bars and then find it hard to make progress. Need to be quicker or maybe just less precious....learning all the time....

  • mrufino1mrufino1

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @mrufino1 said:
    Best thing for me is to get with collaborators and bounce all of our ideas around. We usually wind up somewhere that we didn't expect, which is better than always sounding the same. So I let whatever happens happen, I leave the loops or song snippets in Dropbox with all of our others and then we grab things that catch our ear at the time. One thing I've learned is never to discard an idea on my own or not put it in Dropbox - even if the idea doesn't wind up being in one of our songs it might spur on another idea.

    Yes, yes, but this requires having contact with, you know, other people or even friends.

    All foolishness to one side, I am finding I have less and less patience with others (musically) these days. I was always a bit of a pleaser (sure, let's try that....), and I'm not certain if the multitude of possibilities that (so many) apps offer has maybe changed that, but I get irritated very quickly with the curvy lines others seem to have when I am sure that they're going in the wrong direction (read: a different direction to the one I'm feeling...).

    Do like @richardyot's notion of pieces. I have a tendency to find/refine an 8 or 16 bars and then find it hard to make progress. Need to be quicker or maybe just less precious....learning all the time....

    This year was our most stress free yet in terms of collaboration. I guess my therapy is helping...;-)

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