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Troublemaker: Ties via MIDI send question

lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker
in General App Discussion

Anyone know why ties work when I use Troublemaker standalone but don't work when I use Troublemaker as a MIDI sender in AB3 with a different AU as the MIDI sound generator? @brambos: any thoughts here?

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  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000
    edited August 2017

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Anyone know why ties work when I use Troublemaker standalone but don't work when I use Troublemaker as a MIDI sender in AB3 with a different AU as the MIDI sound generator? @brambos: any thoughts here?

    It pretty much depends on what synth is receiving. All the ties really are is long overlapping notes. Troublemaker interprets these as ties. If a synth doesn't the ties will not work. Same problem even happens with midisteps sending ties but the receiving synth doesn't recognize them as such

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Anyone know why ties work when I use Troublemaker standalone but don't work when I use Troublemaker as a MIDI sender in AB3 with a different AU as the MIDI sound generator? @brambos: any thoughts here?

    It pretty much depends on what synth is receiving. All the ties really are is long overlapping notes. Troublemaker interprets these as ties. If a synth doesn't the ties will not work. Same problem even happens with midisteps sending ties but the receiving synth doesn't recognize them as such

    Yeah I imported the midi file into modstep and can see the overlapping notes. Nothing to do but recreate the notes in modstep piano roll if I want to use other synths, eh? There is no magic conversion?

  • wimwim
    edited August 2017

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Anyone know why ties work when I use Troublemaker standalone but don't work when I use Troublemaker as a MIDI sender in AB3 with a different AU as the MIDI sound generator? @brambos: any thoughts here?

    It pretty much depends on what synth is receiving. All the ties really are is long overlapping notes. Troublemaker interprets these as ties. If a synth doesn't the ties will not work. Same problem even happens with midisteps sending ties but the receiving synth doesn't recognize them as such

    Yeah I imported the midi file into modstep and can see the overlapping notes. Nothing to do but recreate the notes in modstep piano roll if I want to use other synths, eh? There is no magic conversion?

    Not sure I understand how that would help. If the notes are overlapped, then they are tied in ModStep. If whatever synth you are playing has no legato mode then how were you thinking of entering them differently in ModStep to make it work like you want?

    I think maybe what you're looking for is a pitch-bend between the notes? If so, then there are two ways to go about this.

    • If the synth you want to play has a mono mode with a glide setting, you can adjust the glide time to make something like a pitch-bend. (This is basically what Troublemaker is doing internally)
    • If not, then you need to draw in or record automation to produce a pitch bend.

    Troublemaker isn't doing a Midi pitch-bend to make those slides between notes. It reacts that way when notes are overlapped. You can see this by playing it from a keyboard, and holding one note down while you play another. That's just basically "glide", not pitch-bend.

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @wim said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Anyone know why ties work when I use Troublemaker standalone but don't work when I use Troublemaker as a MIDI sender in AB3 with a different AU as the MIDI sound generator? @brambos: any thoughts here?

    It pretty much depends on what synth is receiving. All the ties really are is long overlapping notes. Troublemaker interprets these as ties. If a synth doesn't the ties will not work. Same problem even happens with midisteps sending ties but the receiving synth doesn't recognize them as such

    Yeah I imported the midi file into modstep and can see the overlapping notes. Nothing to do but recreate the notes in modstep piano roll if I want to use other synths, eh? There is no magic conversion?

    Not sure I understand how that would help. If the notes are overlapped, then they are tied in ModStep. If whatever synth you are playing has no legato mode then how were you thinking of entering them differently in ModStep?

    this. basically the synth is the problem. if it ties then overlapped notes will make ties as well. there is no way to tie notes if the synth itself doesn't do so. its not troublemaker midi that is at fault.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    Yep, got it. Thanks @wim and @gonekrazy3000.

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