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controlling ios when mixing tracks
So editing tracks on pc is nice because with a mouse you can get so precise. My iphone 7 however is much more powerful than my laptop, does dsp and tracking much smoother. Latecy with guitar is so much better. editing sucks however. Garage band is severely limiting. Cutting and pasting drum sections sucks when youre using your finger.
What do you guys do? Ever used a magic mouse on iphone or anything?
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You cant use a mouse on an iphone. Maybe hook up a midi controller with knobs or faders to it?
Fir presise editing,!in GarageBand Are you not able to zoom in on the timeline ?
sure you can zoom in just its so much easier on a pc.
precise (!) timeline editing in IOS is a pita
The only app with a convenient touch based edit workflow is TwistedWave, but that's a single track (mono/stereo) editor unfortunately.
(you may download the free version just to see HOW it's supposed to be done)
Hokusai's Ferrite get's an honorable mention for doing a rather specific task quite well.
Auria looked most promising (and I really like some of it's features), but turned out to be a total fail in real world application.
Features may look great on a single snippet, but pinch galore drives you nuts during an edit sequence.
To offer a counterpoint to @Telefunky’s opinion, I came from Logic/ProTools and sometimes wish both became more Auria-ish regarding editing and arranging audio. I cannot be more satisfied (the way Auria does non-destructive gain, for example, is better than most Desktop DAWs, and Logic is playing catch, adding this feature very recently).
we probably do very different things:
you record long tracks and mix a couple of them, some serving as playbacks and such stuff... in other words: proper songs, close to live performance - you're a great musician.
I do that only partly (and much less sophisticated) with guitar/vocals.
But I collect lots of sessions that are literally sliced to pieces and rearranged on a multitrack timeline, sometimes snipping 4 second pieces from 10 minute takes that match a certain idea, then 12 seconds or 1 minute from another take. No grids applied anywhere.
In my DAW (Saw-Studio) I cut/arrange the shit so fast, that it almost feels like 'playing the sequencer'.
Go figure something like 50 sample accurate cuts for a 3 minute 4 track piece in less than half an hour in Auria.
I never do crossfades and can snip a single letter from a word to replace it by another one.
As mentioned, I like some of Auria's functions (the level setting you mention among them).
But they are not well considered:
You have to magnify first to get access to the sensitive areas.
Once regions are cut, they cannot be extend anymore (pre-begin, post-end), bread and butter stuff in a 20 years old Pro Tools.
You can zoom into single sample accuracy, but the centerline vanishes.
Smallest segment to edit/select is something about 10-20 milliseconds iirc.
Anyway your counterpoint is much appreciated and I respect your opinion.
Thank you for the compliments, @telefunky, and I’m interested to hear some of your music as well. I also respect very much your opinion, and by the way you described your workflow, I can totally understand why Auria dosn’t meet your needs, while being a godsend to my own workflow. I didn’t understand, though, these statements in your last post:
I just cut an audio region to be sure nothing changed, because I cut and extend regions frequently as I edit. I could extend them back, up to full size, regardless of how much I cut them, even if I move them to other tracks etc. But I was unsure I could be done with MIDI regions, because I usually do all the editing I need in the piano roll, so I tested... and als9 was able to extend each region back up to original size. Can you describe how that failed to happen in your experience, or if I misunderstood what issue were you describing?
Also, by pinch zooming to sample accuracy, I am always able to get where I want without losing track for the cursor, and overall find the experience more pleasant than with mouse and keyboard, because the feeling of physical control that pitch zooming gives (I know it is obviously a psychological effect and matter of taste). In fact, I like Auria’s pinch zooming so much it became the method I usually use to navigate/skim/scroll through my tracks. I’m not sure I understood what you meant by “centerline”.
Auria has a lot of little annoyances, but they are mostly bugs (some very nasty, specially on the MIDI side), but nothing seems to get in my way by design. There are important shortcomings in the features (comparing to Logic/ProTools) that I hope are addressed sooner rather than later: duplicate tracks (with choice of events and FX to duplicate), unlimited makers and sections with tools like cutting, inserting etc, the ability of recording the output of a bus, to name a few (the list is long). The “undo everything” approach is excellent (Logic and Protools don’t allow undoing fader moves for instance, while Auria does from day one), but I really wish copy events were skipped by undo actions.
Cheers!
oops, my bad - in fact splitting audio into regions allows later extension/reduction to both sides
(but I clearly remember this didn't work in some circumstances, probably the 'region' was generated by a different method or whatever.
Just for correctness: the minimal slice I mentioned is 100ms, not 10ms.
Anyway, I'm far from dissing the app because it would significantly ease my workflow.
(I record everything on the iPad and currently have to transfer to the PC)
It just puzzles me that so many workflow oriented flaws exist with all this digital recording history to learn from.
The non-organisation of the fx insert menu is a remarkable faux-pas.
Yeah, the way the FX are displayed (“big list”) have a lot of room for improvement. I like Logic Pro’s approach to it.
@Telefunky if at any point you use the "condense regions" command then all your audio sections will be trimmed. That might explain what you saw. Otherwise audio regions should always be extendable back to their original size.
yes, that's what I suspected, too, though I never used that option because I know it's cleaning up deeply.
But I may have applied it once and later used the same data while forgetting about that previous process. Sorry for messing things up.
I use magic powder that helps me feel the music.
is there a better daw than garage band for iphone?
i hate that I cant get auria on my 7 plus.