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SoundCloud, a new beginning?

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  • edited September 2017

    @MonzoPro said:
    I've just had a look at my daughter's SC account - one of her songs has had over 3 million plays, and she hasn't made a penny from it. In contrast her agent has managed to get one of her tracks played on a famous brand's Labor Day TV advert, and those 20 seconds will probably make her more money than I will in a year.

    Hey, that is great news. :) Not only proof that once in a blue moon someone can get a bit of success, but also because if she keeps going like this your daughter may one day be able to keep you in the style to which you would like to become accustomed....in the Telecaster Twilight Home.

  • edited September 2017

    @InfoCheck said:
    Hiring people such as yourself to help guide, edit and polish their work to achieve the level of quality needed to compete is definitely a good investment for writers who are serious about their work even if the chances of market success are uphill.

    >

    It helps to have a professional level product to hawk around, etc. But to be honest hiring someone like me to design a cover etc is not much different to many of us here hiring a sound tech to polish our efforts. Yes, the end result will be a better product, perhaps on a par with commercial works. But turning that improved quality into dollars is still the same old mountain, and no easier to climb.

    Not that this should ever stop anyone from trying. Achieving commercial - or even critical success - has always been hard going. All we can do for the most part is have some fun and pay our dues, in the Tower of Song.

  • that's the way it goes... ;)
    I know a girl from a German board, who exactly asked one question about production.
    (she provided an Evanescence cover, piano/vocal)
    Got some hints and then she went on her own, publishing on Soundcloud, strictly her own style and original compositions. Fanbase grew at a stunning rate.
    People suggested a better microphone and piano etc etc, but she insisted on her way.
    Got her a major deal in film and game soundtrack domain eventually and she seems to make a living from music now.

    What amazed me most were her hearing and mixing skills she developed almost instantly, a rare, natural talent.
    She also got into colaboration at a very early stage, which likely built up her network.

    Soundcloud is in fact just the data space, what you make of it is up to the user.
    Imho the pro-accounts are more or less a compensation for general free access to the service, no a crucial marketing tool.
    You know where your tracks are played and linked, but that's about it.

    With proper tagging it's not that bad to score some hits and the cross references aren't that bad either. At least I never had a problem to find interesting stuff there.
    In fact the groups feature never cut with me as I find it more restricting than revealing.

  • @Telefunky said:
    People suggested a better microphone and piano etc etc, but she insisted on her way.
    Got her a major deal in film and game soundtrack domain eventually and she seems to make a living from music now.

    A testament to the power of self-belief, talent...and a little luck along the way.

  • edited September 2017

    here's one of her very early pieces, all performed and mixed by herself at home

    gear: M-Audio FastTrack, Rode NT-1a, real Violin, Kawai ES-1, reverb Valhalla Room
    it doesn't always have to be top-40 style to gain some success B)

  • edited September 2017

    @Telefunky said:
    it doesn't always have to be top-40 style to gain some success

    >

    Indeed. This piece sounds really good to me. Understated and cool. Like a softer edged Tori Amos. Will be looking up more of Julie Elven.

    May I also take this opportunity to recommend another female musician who I saw as a supporting act, and thought this song of hers was world class.

    Leslie Mendelson - Chasing the Thrill

    https://youtu.be/Z6cR0W7T9cw

  • edited September 2017

    she's a versatile artist, solid player/performer, a lot of live colab stuff online :+1:
    thanks for linking, I just snatched one of her's into the infamous app to practice myself o:)
    singer, guitar and one microphone - perfect

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @InfoCheck said:
    it seems to me you're both exaggerating the investment and tactics used by SoundCloud to convince musicians to purchase their services.

    I've just had a look at my daughter's SC account - one of her songs has had over 3 million plays, and she hasn't made a penny from it. In contrast her agent has managed to get one of her tracks played on a famous brand's Labor Day TV advert, and those 20 seconds will probably make her more money than I will in a year.

    Soundcloud works best for people like me - who like making music as a hobby, need some sort of outlet for the results. They ruined it by removing Groups, as that was a great way to discover new music, but it's better than nothing.

    Oh, yeah, Groups. I was in some groups, but those disappeared without any formal notification. Yet another oddity ...

    Kudos on your daughter landing the money spot on TV! That's pretty awesome :sunglasses:

    Any chance her agent might have used her 3 million SC plays as a selling point to the musico who decided to choose her song?

  • @eustressor said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @InfoCheck said:
    it seems to me you're both exaggerating the investment and tactics used by SoundCloud to convince musicians to purchase their services.

    I've just had a look at my daughter's SC account - one of her songs has had over 3 million plays, and she hasn't made a penny from it. In contrast her agent has managed to get one of her tracks played on a famous brand's Labor Day TV advert, and those 20 seconds will probably make her more money than I will in a year.

    Soundcloud works best for people like me - who like making music as a hobby, need some sort of outlet for the results. They ruined it by removing Groups, as that was a great way to discover new music, but it's better than nothing.

    Oh, yeah, Groups. I was in some groups, but those disappeared without any formal notification. Yet another oddity ...

    Kudos on your daughter landing the money spot on TV! That's pretty awesome :sunglasses:

    Any chance her agent might have used her 3 million SC plays as a selling point to the musico who declinedided to choose her song?

    Thank you! No don't think so, she's got an album out which is getting a lot of radio play, so I'm guessing they heard that as it's the title track.

    Yeah I miss Groups, as well as discovering new music, it was a good way for others to find your own stuff. I think if they'd genuinely been interested in helping artists promote their work, they should have left that alone.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    Thank you! No don't think so, she's got an album out which is getting a lot of radio play, so I'm guessing they heard that as it's the title track.

    I understand if you want to keep the connection private, but must admit to being rather curious as to what this music sounds like.

  • edited September 2017

    @Telefunky said:
    she's a versatile artist, solid player/performer, a lot of live colab stuff online :+1:
    thanks for linking, I just snatched one of her's into the infamous app to practice myself o:)
    singer, guitar and one microphone - perfect

    How is someone so good not a mega star. Leslie Mendelson is like a very favourable cross between Janis Ian and Carole King, but better looking than both.

  • well, she's a true musician focussed on music - while (say) Stefani Germanotta, who's also a great musician makes a fortune on glamour and her Lady Gaga persona.
    Public attention is rarely based on music as the main thing ;)

  • @MonzoPro said:
    Yeah I miss Groups, as well as discovering new music, it was a good way for others to find your own stuff. I think if they'd genuinely been interested in helping artists promote their work, they should have left that alone.

    groups are only one side of the coin - there's a tag system that isn't too bad, but probably people don't put much effort into filling the details.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Thank you! No don't think so, she's got an album out which is getting a lot of radio play, so I'm guessing they heard that as it's the title track.

    I understand if you want to keep the connection private, but must admit to being rather curious as to what this music sounds like.

    Radio friendly girly pop. We haven't spoken for about 8 years, otherwise I'd be plugging her stuff with gusto.

  • @Telefunky said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Yeah I miss Groups, as well as discovering new music, it was a good way for others to find your own stuff. I think if they'd genuinely been interested in helping artists promote their work, they should have left that alone.

    groups are only one side of the coin - there's a tag system that isn't too bad, but probably people don't put much effort into filling the details.

    Tags are are fine if you know what you're looking for, and the tracks have been tagged appropriately, but crap for discovering new music within a certain genre.

  • yes, the system can be improved - in your specific example it lacks the quantitative before/after date expression.
    But from a technical pov it's no biggy to add the date and have SC publish some basic tag guidelines plus implement that search by date.

  • edited September 2017

    @MonzoPro said:
    Radio friendly girly pop. We haven't spoken for about 8 years, otherwise I'd be plugging her stuff with gusto.

    Ah, sorry to hear that. Maybe you'll be back in touch at some point. In the mean time you can be a proud dad at one step removed.

    BTW, new girlie pop has been missing from the radio in recent years. I'm thinking Ronettes and all who followed. As opposed to those doing more urban stuff.

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