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Midi clock. Syncing apps. Help please
Hi I'm a long term ableton user who has started experimenting with iOS music. I have an issue that needs advice. If I just jam with various apps, In this case dm1, glitch breaks and fingerline bassline, the tempos pretty quickly go slightly out of time. Question really is, if I run apps such as these into a daw,( I have auria, meteor, multitrack ) I really want to make sure all the bpms are in sync. I guess this will involve some midi clock set up, but I'm not sure how to go about this. Also does this work better on one daw than another (I.e cubasis) as a few quid on another app is no problem. I hope this makes sense . Ta
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Currently a grey area on iOS devices. People are hoping it will improve.
Pretty pointless if you can't perfectly sync your beats, and various parts !
One combination that works well is Drum Studio and Cubasis after drum Studios last update.
Can I sync the tempo of the input apps to the output app. This, and how to do it is what I'm after
With Cubasis I manually set the tempo to match tempo in Drum Studio. It will not automatically sync to tempo,
Loopy HD has a nice "Live" feel to the way it performs. For example: I start playing a phrase in Animoog, record it into loopy, and when finished, Loopy starts looping it back while also using the loop to create a master BPM which gets sent to DM1, Animoog, and Magellan. It works generally quite well for live jams.
Full feature DAWs on iOS may work, but my only experience is with Loopy which is built for performing. Others will have to comment on the DAWs.
Not totally pointless, as not all styles of music are limited to strict beat syncing, but it's a problem for those that are.
Very true but a lot of electronic iOS music is gonna be beat orientated, and in all music needs timing
I'm pretty sure Mozart found a way to play harpsichord in time with an orchestra without MIDI beat sync, but I appreciate your preferred style requires it...
Mozart had rhythm man!
Seriously though, if have a beat running at 128 bpm in DM1 and then add another track from Funkbox also at 128 bpm, they can start off in sync, but then slowly lose time with each other. I really want to control their respective bpm from a host or just the one app, so one bpm source controls all the apps. Is this possible using midi clock or any other way.
Hi @Mickmike. Welcome to the wonderful mess that has been iOS midi. Everyone is hoping that it will be sorted out now that iOS7 is here, but the reality is that will probably take some time to roll out to apps. In the meantime I have had success with Auria for short takes since they implemented midi clock. I've also had success in bursts with Beatmaker 2, but drift seems to be inevitably with almost any app. Certainly Cubasis is the furthest from having any reliable midi clock. I'm surprised you were able to get DM1 to work with just about anything at all. In my experience the midi clock in/out of there is abysmal. Hopefully all of this will change soon.
Midi clock in Mozarts day was a conductor! ;-)
there was a blurb on Intua's forum recently about the upcoming Beatmaker 2.5 update (coming in the next week or so i would think?) - anyways, they said that this new update will address many midi issues ... so maybe wait and see what happens with that.
i've also had success syncing DM1 with Loopy HD - but it does seem to drift after a short while
I recommend as others have mentioned (short burts)--in other words, Do a bar or phrase of music and record it, and then ACP that into your song and copy and paste as needed. What this guarantees is that you will at least start each clip properly, and it will minimize any tempo drift. Each new bar of music will start properly. If you try to do a whole song in one take, the drift can be pretty bad by the end of the piece. But this method reigns in the drift at each bar measure.
Midi clock doesn't always cut it, that's why Midi Time Code was developed. I only have one app that supports MTC right now.. Auria. So, I use Midi clock, however, it does tend to drift. But, @mgmg4871 is correct... Drumstudio and Cubasis work really well with just Midi clock!
@Aph, correct me if I'm wrong here, but what @mgmg4871 was saying was that Cubasis and Drumstudio don't actually use midi clock at all. You have to do the old 1-2-3-hit the button and pray thing. No midi in that process for sure.
@boone51 No, I've tested DrumStudio and Cubasis together extensively, and you can just press play on the Cubasis transport and everything works perfectly. I love it! Currently, it is neck-n-neck with DM1 as my favorite drum machine. If DrumStudio imported samples and had more built-in kits, it would probably serve as my primary drum machine--it still may, since it works properly with Cubasis and Midi sync and DM1 doesn't..... :-)
@boone51 Audiojunkie & Aph are correct. The only thing I did prior to syncing them is set the tempo in Cubasis to match the tempo in Drum Studio. I did not engage the play button in Drum Studio. No hit and run. Lol
Ah, great! Thanks for showing me the light guys. That's good news.
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It was my experience that I didn't even have to change the tempo in DrumStudio--it seems to grab it just fine from Cubasis. I just set it in Cubasis. You may have to press play once to get it to sync, but after that it works properly at the correct tempo. I suspect that it gets the tempo the first time it receives the Play transport command from Cubasis...
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