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1975 Minimoog Vs iPad Minimoog App

quite enjoyable ..

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  • Yup. And so far beside some aging defects (oscs drift and some saturation) the only evident difference is the resonance

  • The original definitely sounds more dynamic and warmer to my ears, but that’s probably a given as it’s analogue...

  • edited September 2017

    the only evident difference is that the iMini is a stale attempt to fake a well defined and punchy instrument - I'd never expected it to be that clear. ;)

  • Put it in a mix. Never know the difference. ;)

  • edited September 2017

    @mschenkel.it said:
    Yup. And so far beside some aging defects (oscs drift and some saturation) the only evident difference is the resonance

    Uh forgot ‘bout the price

    @Telefunky said:
    the only evident difference is that the iMini is a stale attempt to fake a well defined and punchy instrument - I'd never expected it to be that clear. ;)

    Same goes for behringer I guess. Or probably that is just plagiarism.
    Oh and also any 3 osc mono synth out there.
    Well any subtractive synth is actually a rip off of the only synth ever existed: 1970 Model D SN 1001-10.
    Those others model d’s?...well...just good copies.

  • never mind if you don't hear the difference (while the riffs are played) but this one isn't hard to spot. Can't blame it on the keyboard, as the Mini isn't velocity sensitive, so no disadvantage for a touch thing.
    Arturia always claims a faithful copy and simply doesn't deliver.
    It's them who choose the surface graphics.

  • @Telefunky said:
    never mind if you don't hear the difference (while the riffs are played) but this one isn't hard to spot. Can't blame it on the keyboard, as the Mini isn't velocity sensitive, so no disadvantage for a touch thing.
    Arturia always claims a faithful copy and simply doesn't deliver.
    It's them who choose the surface graphics.

    It’s never going to be spot on; it is a software emulation, after all. Arturia say it’s modelled on a particular Model D. They all have their own distinct characteristics, especially after 40+ years. So one Model D will sound slightly different from another, and will need slightly different tweaking to reproduce a patch. But, as @anickt said above, when put in the mix, you wouldn’t know the difference. There is another comparison video on YouTube where the patch played sounds indistinguishable.

  • I’d love to see the results of a blind A-B test from among those who say it’s way off. That sounds like I doubt they could consistently tell, but I don’t mean it that way. I really don’t know what the results would be like.

    Good enough for me considering I will never own or probably ever touch one. I think I may get my$4.99 out of it. B)

  • JesJes
    edited September 2017

    I recall two mini moogs consigned to oblivion in the corner of the music room at uni in the mid 80s.
    Everyone was more interested in having a play on the shiny new digital Roland JX 3p on the bench with its ufo sounds and polyphonic pleasures...
    I had a particular soft spot for the Moog as I had fallen in love with its sound years earlier after hearing ELP s "Lucky Man" for the first time.
    I loved missing theory class and, instead, heading to the hardware room and playing them ..
    Nobody in that music dept seemed the slightest bit interested in them ; and it is one of my great regrets that I don't have a thieving bone in my body , and didn't pick one up and walk smartly and confidently to my car with it.
    I often wonder what happened to them.
    Probably someone did what I didn't....

  • Not listened to this one yet, but most of these ‘scientific comparison’ videos use a super hot output signal for the vintage synth (as was the norm back then) versus a much cleaner/lower digital output for the software. Result: “yeah the analog synth sounds sooo much warmer!”. B)

  • He should do some more extreme audio rate modulation stuff (yeah, again :D ).
    Arturias emulations are the not up to date compared to newer ones.
    But yes, in a mix it might don't matter.
    Anyway, synths like Model 15 and Zeeon are the real joy ;)

  • Now that the Model D is no longer manufactured Moog could do their own version of the Mini Moog as an app based on the tech they developed for Model 15 on iOS and it could even be their first AUv3 :D

    When comparing the iOS apps to 'hardware' the quality of the D/A has to be included in the equation.

    I'm still evaluating what my next Audio-Interface will be and I'm leaning towards Arturia's AudioFuse...

  • @brambos said:
    Not listened to this one yet, but most of these ‘scientific comparison’ videos use a super hot output signal for the vintage synth (as was the norm back then) versus a much cleaner/lower digital output for the software. Result: “yeah the analog synth sounds sooo much warmer!”. B)

    With iMini they tried that way: until one of the latest versions almost any preset included was clipping hard; you’d have to turn master volume down to about 10% to get a not so hot signal:D

  • why would they need to mismatch the audio signals? one's augmented and the other's just electricity, which would become noticeable when you played them for an extended period of time. to some people that matters enough for them to spend 3k. crazy
    what's even more crazy is when you look at the spec's of that 3k synth. it's mono and with really limited mods.
    what behringer have done makes me laugh. but some people will always love to have a nike swish on their trainers

  • Modeled or manufactured, all hail the might moog and all the scrumptious circuitry that followed its creation. Comparisons are interesting because if you love the wood and transistor variant and also love the simulation, you can kill some time listening to both and then chuckle with delight at all the sportful bickering and confrontation.

  • @Samu said:
    Now that the Model D is no longer manufactured Moog could do their own version of the Mini Moog as an app based on the tech they developed for Model 15 on iOS and it could even be their first AUv3 :D

    This

  • @Beathoven said:

    @Samu said:
    Now that the Model D is no longer manufactured Moog could do their own version of the Mini Moog as an app based on the tech they developed for Model 15 on iOS and it could even be their first AUv3 :D

    This

    Yepp! Don't know if @gertbevin or @moogmusic actively checks this forum but doesn't hurt to tag them ;)

    I would be happy to fork 'upper tier price' for a proper Moog iMini iOS port as AUv3!

  • @Samu said:

    @Beathoven said:

    @Samu said:
    Now that the Model D is no longer manufactured Moog could do their own version of the Mini Moog as an app based on the tech they developed for Model 15 on iOS and it could even be their first AUv3 :D

    This

    Yepp! Don't know if @gertbevin or @moogmusic actively checks this forum but doesn't hurt to tag them ;)

    I would be happy to fork 'upper tier price' for a proper Moog iMini iOS port as AUv3!

    I think they’ve licensed the software version to Arturia so I don’t think it will be anyway near

  • @mschenkel.it said:

    @Samu said:

    @Beathoven said:

    @Samu said:
    Now that the Model D is no longer manufactured Moog could do their own version of the Mini Moog as an app based on the tech they developed for Model 15 on iOS and it could even be their first AUv3 :D

    This

    Yepp! Don't know if @gertbevin or @moogmusic actively checks this forum but doesn't hurt to tag them ;)

    I would be happy to fork 'upper tier price' for a proper Moog iMini iOS port as AUv3!

    I think they’ve licensed the software version to Arturia so I don’t think it will be anyway near

    Well maybe they could do a clone of the Behringer instead – that’ll do.

  • @u0421793 said:

    @mschenkel.it said:

    @Samu said:

    @Beathoven said:

    @Samu said:
    Now that the Model D is no longer manufactured Moog could do their own version of the Mini Moog as an app based on the tech they developed for Model 15 on iOS and it could even be their first AUv3 :D

    This

    Yepp! Don't know if @gertbevin or @moogmusic actively checks this forum but doesn't hurt to tag them ;)

    I would be happy to fork 'upper tier price' for a proper Moog iMini iOS port as AUv3!

    I think they’ve licensed the software version to Arturia so I don’t think it will be anyway near

    Well maybe they could do a clone of the Behringer instead – that’ll do.

    That is a brilliant idea

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