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Off Topic: High Sierra OSX
Wanted to share a little bit of experience here for those of you using Macs. The other day I decided to update from Sierra to High Sierra. The reports were pretty good that it was very solid and stable. Because most of my desktop updates and upgrades to OSX have all pretty much gone as smooth as butter, I decided to update and didn't even bother doing a fresh backup. My last backup was 2 months ago.
This was a mistake. About a quarter of the way in the install process froze up. No movement for a couple hours at all. Others reported this and said if you just force a shutdown and restart, it'll likely pick up where it left off. I wasn't so lucky. My boot block had become corrupted, and I wasn't even showing any data at all on my main SSD drive. I think it had to do with an old KEXT file that I needed for the SSD before SSDs were officially supported by the OS.
Anyway, I made a decision to just bit the bullet and to a completely fresh install of High Sierra. I lost some stuff from the last 2 months, and it was very time consuming getting everything set back up and then rebacking up everything.
I mentioned all of this in a recent thread. The reason I'm mentioning it again is that I've noticed that now everything is SOOO much more stable, and it seems faster as well. Some of the weird glitchiness I've been experiencing seems to be gone too.
My fresh backups of my iPhone and new iPad went perfectly well and it feels like a solid, brand new machine now. I know there's at least one person on the forum and likely others who've been having a hard time with their machines, backups, restores, etc.
This machine hasn't had a fresh OSX install since 2012. I've always just updated/upgraded. There was a lot of garbage in system folders going back 15 years too. I got rid of most of it I think.
Now, I don't know if this is solely because of High Sierra, or if it's because I've been basically running a rickety, constantly updated OS what hasn't been "clean" in a very long time. But, I can tell you that if you take the time and do a clean install and get rid of all the old shit you don't use anymore and were just hanging onto it "just in case", you'll likely have a machine that feels and runs as well as it did when it was brand new.
In the end, being forced to do this by my careless updating without a backup, has been the best thing I've done for my machine since I upgraded it's main drive to a fast SSD. Highly recommended! 
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For me, everything went very smooth, no problems at all
Yeah, I was suspicious that my system was kinda rickety before I upgraded. Unfortunately, laziness won out and I didn't backup. But now that I'm running on a clean install... noice!
Glad to hear you got it back up and running.
Sidenote: For anyone who uses their computer for music production and plans to update, this list is important.
https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/high-sierra-macos-10-13-compatibility-information/
I always do a full backup (Time Machine + an image of a system drive) before installing a new version, it usually takes less than an hour so it's better to be careful. Never really had to restore from it though. Did a fresh install in 2012 and it's still working as a swiss watch
Now might be a good time to create a clone of your drive for backup purposes....in addition to being religious about your time machine backups moving forward
Thx! Too late for me to check out this list
but it looks like I’m luckily in the clear.
Did a fresh time machine backup, but cloning isn’t a bad idea. And, since my cousin is an exec at Toshiba, I’ve got a few empty 4T & 8T drives for free
In that case....make several clones and store them in different locations! Also, can I borrow your cousin...
I haven’t cloned in a long time. Last time I used carbon copy cloner. Is that still the method of choice in your opinion?
Thanks
I just boot into Time Machine or Recovery mode (holding down Option during reboot), open Disk Utility and then save an image as a compressed DMG file to an external drive
Yeah, I believe Carbon Copy is the go-to in terms of overall ease of use and options. But manually doing it is also an option as @yug mentioned.
Just updated, no problems! ¿Lucky?
In case some missed it, here are the 3 main points of my original post.
Yes, I know how to do backups. Sometimes I’ve got 2 full backups. The one time I got lazy and didn’t want to bother with a fresh backup, I got bit. Just warning others know who might be momentarily inclined toward laziness like I was, and decide to risk it. In short, don’t.
I had a smooth install on my Macbook Air and a freeze on my Macbook Pro. Restarting the Pro in recovery mode let me continue the installation successfully (phew...).
Nicest thing about High Sierra is that it fixes the intermittent Wifi connection drops (e.g. after waking from sleepmode) on my Macbooks. My Wifi experience is a lot smoother now.
I tried restarting in recovery mode and just got a folder with a question mark. I’ve been racking my brain trying to remember what I’ve lost, but aside from about 8 AUs I’d installed into Logic Pro, which I was able to reinstall, some albums I’d ripped into iTunes that I just reripped, I didn’t lose much at all. Fortunately I keep all my work files on external drives, and I offloaded my photos app library to an external drive too. That, and I was motorcycle traveling in New Mexico and Colorado for almost a month during that window, so I wasn’t very productive anyway.
As far as a good time to have a catastrophic install failure like that, it was a good time.
I was getting some display flickering off an on that has now gone away. Some USB port issues seem to be fixed now, and several other things, so far, appear to be resolved too. Other than all the time spent, its actually been a positive outcome.
Never doing an update again without a fresh backup though. Lesson learned.
I have my hopes up high for metal 2 and its effects on rendering windows and sys or app UI's. i.E. Reason suffers a bit from the Retina effects and if I get 3-8% of CPU back with that I'm a happy camper.
did anyone notice that midi and audio from ipad/iphone to mac is now working plug and play?
Really without first activating the device via Audio/Midi Settings? That be a huge timesaver.
I do have 1 "potential" bug. If you're doing a new install of Max 4 Live on High Sierra. I've had this bug, and there's a Cycling '74 write-up here: https://cycling74.com/forums/unable-to-link-live-and-max-«64bit-high-sierra»
Out of curiosity - anyone try the "Internet Sharing" option on High Sierra yet? It's in System Preferences-->Sharing-->Content Caching.
Once enabled, you'll have Internet from your Mac to iOS device over Lightning-to-USB. It's really fast too, I get 70mb over the connection, which is highest speed for my home connection. It won't show up as anything on the iOS device in connections.
How is this supposed to work now? I just tried with Audio, but I still had to enable the iPad first via Audio/Midi Setup. Same as before High Sierra isn't it? (I'm using LPX)