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Midi sequencing app that respond to program change

Hi audiobus folks!

I am on the look out for a midi sequencing app that can respond to midi program change.

I am asking here as most sequencing apps seem oriented toward being used as a "master brain" that will sequence different app and/or external gear.

But in my case, I already have an hardware sequencer for most of my rig (Elektron Analog 4, with midi sent to my ipad with an iconnect midi 4+). What I'd like to do is find a sequencer that can respond to the analog 4 program changes (1-128) and start patterns accordingly (that I can route to the midi channel of my choice).

I saw a "program change" setting in Modstep manual, but I have the feeling this is mostly about sending pattern change rather than responding to them. Am I correct on this? (the manual text is a bit obscure on this)

Anyone having a setup similar to what I am trying to achieve? Or would have a sequencer to recommend?

Thanks again, as an ipad audio newbie, I always get amazing clues from this forum!

Comments

  • edited October 2017

    You are correct that Modstep sends program changes but does not respond to them.

    And welcome aboard! Glad to have you here...

  • edited October 2017

    Good question. I can't think of one.

    Maybe Magellan would work? Sequences are stored with patches and it responds to bank/program changes. You can make its sequencers send MIDI to external devices/apps. Very fun sequencer but it's very much a step sequencer.

    If you need to use something like ModStep or Infinite Looper, perhaps a semi-convoluted set up that would work is...

    1. Set up Magellan to listen to program changes
    2. Set up N patches in Magellan to correspond with the number of patterns you want to be able to control in MS or IL. These would be one note sequences.
    3. Point Magellan at MIDI Flow
    4. Tell MIDI Flow to convert the incoming notes to whichever CCs MS or IL require to change patterns.
    5. Point MIDI Flow at MS or IL
    6. Profit
  • Hmm, actually... with MIDI Flow's controller remapping, you can probably skip Magellan entirely. Send PCs to MIDI Flow and have it send CCs to MS or IL.

    https://www.midiflow.com/documentation/#controller-remapping

    Still, Magellan is really fun! You also get an arpeggiator, a good polyphonic synth (two part multi-timbral) and a really great playing surface.
    http://www.yonac.com/support/manuals/MagellanManual.pdf

  • Midi Flow seems amazing, I'll look into this path. Thanks!

    What is that "IL" app that you're referring too?

  • @JohnGredin said:
    Midi Flow seems amazing, I'll look into this path. Thanks!

    What is that "IL" app that you're referring too?

    Infinite Looper. Great little MIDI Looper with editing, etc.
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/infinite-looper/id1054808350?mt=8

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  • wimwim
    edited October 2017

    @tja said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Hmm, actually... with MIDI Flow's controller remapping, you can probably skip Magellan entirely. Send PCs to MIDI Flow and have it send CCs to MS or IL.

    https://www.midiflow.com/documentation/#controller-remapping

    Is this only possible with the standalone?
    I thought the MIDIflow plugin to be the same as the standalone, but just requiring AB in addition ...

    Only with the standalone.

    There are several MidiFlow AudioBus plugins. Each does one small job (only) within AudioBus. There is no MidiFlow plugin that can translate PC to CC.

    The standalone can do many things, some of which requre in-app purchases. The disadvantage, of course, is it's only core Midi - no AudioBus Midi support.

  • edited October 2017

    I assume core midi would be fine if I'm just planning to route the midi back to external gear and not to other ipad apps, is my understanding right?

    Nevermind this comment. I've read to fast, I understand that midiflow would need to be able to send its message to ModStep/other sequencing app.

  • @JohnGredin said:
    I assume core midi would be fine if I'm just planning to route the midi back to external gear and not to other ipad apps, is my understanding right?

    Nevermind this comment. I've read to fast, I understand that midiflow would need to be able to send its message to ModStep/other sequencing app.

    MIDIFlow can send to any port (which includes apps or hardware ports). Wim is just saying that you can't use it in AB3 as a MIDI effect.

  • Ok cool. Still haven't wrapped my head around audiobus (waiting until I actually find a need for it).
    Thanks for clarifying.

  • I've bit the bullet and bought modstep + midiflow and your suggested setup (Mapping program change to other midi message in Midiflow and midi mapping them in Modstep) is working pretty much perfectly.

    Thanks @syrupcore

  • Very cool. Glad to hear it! I've got burning for an A4.

  • @wim said:

    @tja said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Hmm, actually... with MIDI Flow's controller remapping, you can probably skip Magellan entirely. Send PCs to MIDI Flow and have it send CCs to MS or IL.

    https://www.midiflow.com/documentation/#controller-remapping

    Is this only possible with the standalone?
    I thought the MIDIflow plugin to be the same as the standalone, but just requiring AB in addition ...

    Only with the standalone.

    There are several MidiFlow AudioBus plugins. Each does one small job (only) within AudioBus. There is no MidiFlow plugin that can translate PC to CC.

    The standalone can do many things, some of which requre in-app purchases. The disadvantage, of course, is it's only core Midi - no AudioBus Midi support.

    Does this mean that the midiflow standalone app can translate pc to cc messages?

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  • I think it’s here: https://www.midiflow.com/documentation/#controller-remapping-individual but it doesn’t specifically mention pc to cc...there is a good looptree YouTube video that explains pc to note value, just wondering if the same sort of setup with a foot controller can be used to send cc instead of note value...i’m assuming the answer is yes? Has anyone tried it, and if so, do you experience latency?

  • @girlvsworld said:

    @wim said:

    @tja said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Hmm, actually... with MIDI Flow's controller remapping, you can probably skip Magellan entirely. Send PCs to MIDI Flow and have it send CCs to MS or IL.

    https://www.midiflow.com/documentation/#controller-remapping

    Is this only possible with the standalone?
    I thought the MIDIflow plugin to be the same as the standalone, but just requiring AB in addition ...

    Only with the standalone.

    There are several MidiFlow AudioBus plugins. Each does one small job (only) within AudioBus. There is no MidiFlow plugin that can translate PC to CC.

    The standalone can do many things, some of which requre in-app purchases. The disadvantage, of course, is it's only core Midi - no AudioBus Midi support.

    Does this mean that the midiflow standalone app can translate pc to cc messages?

    Yep. Need the $3.99 Controller Remapping IAP.



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