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Odessa (LIVE - IT FINALLY HAPPENED!)

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  • @oat_phipps said:
    Since when did someone suggesting learning to play a guitar to achieve the musicality you want become snobby? Especially after saying ‘I can dream up a killer complex sequencer, if brambos won’t do it, SOMEONE ELSE will’

    Just my two cents, but that’s an odd exchange with a skewed view of reality.

    Tone policing aside, I like to do both--play real instruments, and also try to learn how to program electronic music. The two things go well together.

    The one thing I'm probably not going to accomplish is learning how to build my own instruments. For that I need luthiers in the real world, and developers and engineers in the electronic world.

  • same here, Electric guitar player 35 years. But I love to emulate the electric if possible just my own likes I guess. But for purists nothing will ever be good enough. Not for me.

  • @MusicMan4Christ said:
    same here, Electric guitar player 35 years. But I love to emulate the electric if possible just my own likes I guess. But for purists nothing will ever be good enough. Not for me.

    That one thing you posted a while back with Guitarism driving Geoshred sounded really cool. Technically one might consider it a guitar emulation, but it was so far removed from a real guitar that it became its own thing. That's why I like Geoshred in general. It's ostensibly a guitar emulator, but in reality it's a brand new instrument.

  • Yeah that’s what I’m getting at. For purists that would never suffice. But for me it was fun to create that track and have Guitarism drive GeoShred. This allows me to enjoy my guitar love anywhere and anytime all on an iPhone, well that was made on an iPad if I recall. :)

  • I want the next post on this thread to be that Odessa has arrived...

    has ‘very soon’ arrived yet?

  • edited November 2017

    Guys since everyone is waiting for this app to land, would everyone kindly wait till Sir Doug posts the link in order to bless him and buy it from that link? Remember the developer is not paying him but Apple is. So if we could all do that it would really help our dear friend out. :) <3 o:)

  • @DCJ said:
    I want the next post on this thread to be that Odessa has arrived...

    has ‘very soon’ arrived yet?

    I don’t think Apple reviews on Sunday, so I bet it’ll be out tomorrow or Tuesday, Wednesday at the very latest.

  • DCJDCJ
    edited November 2017

    @oat_phipps said:

    @DCJ said:
    I want the next post on this thread to be that Odessa has arrived...

    has ‘very soon’ arrived yet?

    I don’t think Apple reviews on Sunday, so I bet it’ll be out tomorrow or Tuesday, Wednesday at the very latest.

    I’m going to pretend you never said Wednesday. :D

    I also just wanted not check here compulsively for the “It’s landed!” message only to find... other stuff. Haha. I just need more chill I guess.

  • Im with you @MusicMan4Christ Great idea

  • edited November 2017

    Maybe @thesoundtestroom could post the affiliate link here and we can be getting busy playing and generating him some income before the video goes up?

    Let's face it, there is going to be no shortage of instabuy decisions.

    Notice I'm assuming there will be a video such has Doug made himself an essential demoer in iOS land.

  • @MusicMan4Christ said:
    Guys since everyone is waiting for this app to land, would everyone kindly wait till Sir Doug posts the link in order to bless him as buy it from that link? Remember the developer is not paying him but Apple is. So if we could all do that it would really help our dear friend out. :) <3 o:)

    Thanks for the reminder. I picked up Axon 2 and Eos on Friday via Doug's links but yeah, this one too.

  • @mschenkel.it said:
    If anybody wants to sound like human playing a guitar why don’t they just be that very human playing a real guitar?
    No surprise that a sequenced thing won’t sound like the real thing.
    Hints: turn off auto quantize, don’t use step sequencers, record your own performance if you can play it, if you can’t: practice.

    This is a real world example: there is a person I knew who used to play guitar but became injured and was unable to do so afterwards. Being able to use iOS guitar emulation apps allowed him to reconnect with music making in a way he hadn’t been able to since his accident.

    There are other people who can’t afford an instrument but already own iOS devices, this can be a way for them to experience some aspects of playing a real instrument which may be better for them than nothing.

    There are other people who approach music making from a composer’s perspective who have a musical idea in their heads which can not be realized due to their playing skills and such an app could be a way for them to realize these ideas.

    Some people are curious and enjoy exploring various ways of creating music.

  • @brambos said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @brambos said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Templates for Drum Perfect Pro and Different Drummer would be amazing.

    If you can give me the MIDI note numbers I'll include them in the templates.

    Also, if someone has the MIDI note number for DM1 and/or DM2, that would help since I don't have those either.

    DPP uses the General Midi Mapping :)

    Right... all of it? Because that's a few dozen keys, and Odessa, drum editors have up to 8 channels each, loosely named BD, SD, CP, LT, MT, HT, CH, OH (which of course doesn't mean you're limited to those instruments only).

    :)

    I would find a general midi map very useful!! Especially since ibs-16 is now an AU. :smiley:

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @mschenkel.it said:
    If anybody wants to sound like human playing a guitar why don’t they just be that very human playing a real guitar?
    No surprise that a sequenced thing won’t sound like the real thing.
    Hints: turn off auto quantize, don’t use step sequencers, record your own performance if you can play it, if you can’t: practice.

    This is a real world example: there is a person I knew who used to play guitar but became injured and was unable to do so afterwards. Being able to use iOS guitar emulation apps allowed him to reconnect with music making in a way he hadn’t been able to since his accident.

    There are other people who can’t afford an instrument but already own iOS devices, this can be a way for them to experience some aspects of playing a real instrument which may be better for them than nothing.

    There are other people who approach music making from a composer’s perspective who have a musical idea in their heads which can not be realized due to their playing skills and such an app could be a way for them to realize these ideas.

    Some people are curious and enjoy exploring various ways of creating music.

    Ofc. All of what you said(but that you can’t afford a instrument but you can afford a idevice: found a guitar in trash, one electric was gifted, a electric piano for 150€). My point was just to don’t over complicate stuff. My point wasn’t about guitar playing alone but more about "it is silly trying to replicate 100% of the nuances of a full human performance without the human contribution(you name all the imperfections because are really too many)". Therefore imo asking for x0x sequencer to have exotic/esoteric features it just defies its own aim. And prolly a x0x seq is not the best place to explore odd timings(7/8 on 3/8 on 6/8) and microtonal scales.

  • @mschenkel.it said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @mschenkel.it said:
    If anybody wants to sound like human playing a guitar why don’t they just be that very human playing a real guitar?
    No surprise that a sequenced thing won’t sound like the real thing.
    Hints: turn off auto quantize, don’t use step sequencers, record your own performance if you can play it, if you can’t: practice.

    This is a real world example: there is a person I knew who used to play guitar but became injured and was unable to do so afterwards. Being able to use iOS guitar emulation apps allowed him to reconnect with music making in a way he hadn’t been able to since his accident.

    There are other people who can’t afford an instrument but already own iOS devices, this can be a way for them to experience some aspects of playing a real instrument which may be better for them than nothing.

    There are other people who approach music making from a composer’s perspective who have a musical idea in their heads which can not be realized due to their playing skills and such an app could be a way for them to realize these ideas.

    Some people are curious and enjoy exploring various ways of creating music.

    Ofc. All of what you said(but that you can’t afford a instrument but you can afford a idevice: found a guitar in trash, one electric was gifted, a electric piano for 150€). My point was just to don’t over complicate stuff. My point wasn’t about guitar playing alone but more about "it is silly trying to replicate 100% of the nuances of a full human performance without the human contribution(you name all the imperfections because are really too many)". Therefore imo asking for x0x sequencer to have exotic/esoteric features it just defies its own aim. And prolly a x0x seq is not the best place to explore odd timings(7/8 on 3/8 on 6/8) and microtonal scales.

    Over complication seems to be an abstract concept that can not be easily defined objectively so it seems to me that people can listen to people’s suggestions and ultimately decide what they want to do. I do not know how one can define complicated as synonymous with being not worthwhile if it’s something they do for enjoyment.

    Some people are very interested in emulating human performance via programming including music while others are opposed to these endeavors. Music for many people is a process of playing where efficiency may not be a critical factor.

    People can have iPhones (including pre-owned ones) long before they have access to a guitar (I have yet to find a guitar in the trash). Mobile phones are ubiquitous, guitars are not plus there are non-iOS music apps.

    Many people may find merit in your points while others may not. I believe people can figure out what they want to do and their choices have no effect on my ability to create music.

  • edited November 2017

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @brambos said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @brambos said:

    @gusgranite said:
    Templates for Drum Perfect Pro and Different Drummer would be amazing.

    If you can give me the MIDI note numbers I'll include them in the templates.

    Also, if someone has the MIDI note number for DM1 and/or DM2, that would help since I don't have those either.

    DPP uses the General Midi Mapping :)

    Right... all of it? Because that's a few dozen keys, and Odessa, drum editors have up to 8 channels each, loosely named BD, SD, CP, LT, MT, HT, CH, OH (which of course doesn't mean you're limited to those instruments only).

    :)

    I would find a general midi map very useful!! Especially since ibs-16 is now an AU. :smiley:

    There's one here....the Instrument map refers to program change, the drum map specifies which notes aare which drum/percussion
    https://www.midi.org/specifications/item/gm-level-1-sound-set

  • Do we get 'custom' mappings that we can save for the Odessa X0X box?
    (I'm thinking of making a few of those for GM map with some for the latin percussion and other fx-sounds).

  • @Samu said:
    Do we get 'custom' mappings that we can save for the Odessa X0X box?
    (I'm thinking of making a few of those for GM map with some for the latin percussion and other fx-sounds).

    You can customize the mappings, and using the preset-save mechanism in AUM it's super easy to create templates for quick reuse.

  • @brambos said:

    @Samu said:
    Do we get 'custom' mappings that we can save for the Odessa X0X box?
    (I'm thinking of making a few of those for GM map with some for the latin percussion and other fx-sounds).

    You can customize the mappings, and using the preset-save mechanism in AUM it's super easy to create templates for quick reuse.

    Goodie, let's just hope Apple sorts the preset management once more hosts start to implement Midi AUv3's so we can easily share the presets between hosts :)
    (I mean it's just a matter of Apple letting all AUv3's have R&W access to /Library/Audio/Presets or something like that).

  • @brambos do we get the ability to tie notes or adjust note length in one of the Odessa sequencers?

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    Once you get to that level of complexity you probably want a different kind of tool. You could look at: https://tidalcycles.org/

    It's sort of a programming language (with MIDI out), but I know quite a few non-technical musician types who love it. I think it's niche is more Carnatic style rhythms. If you have a Mac it's pretty easy to use it with IOS synths.

  • Sometimes 4 notes are enough....some people are gifted :)

  • edited November 2017

    @Cib said:
    Sometimes 4 notes are enough....some people are gifted :)

    That brought a huge smile on my face - awesome! But a huge part of the charm was her playing it live on a piano. It wouldn't have been half as cool if she'd been programming that into a piano roll on an iPad ;)

  • @mschenkel.it said:

    And prolly a x0x seq is not the best place to explore odd timings(7/8 on 3/8 on 6/8) and microtonal scales.

    Why not? ET has only been the tuning standard for a hundred years or so, and it's an abstract goal that most acoustic ensembles abandon routinely on sustained chords. I see no reason at all to limit electronic music to a single tuning.

  • I saw her playing a F. And a D. Cheater.

  • @brambos said:

    @Cib said:
    Sometimes 4 notes are enough....some people are gifted :)

    That brought a huge smile on my face - awesome! But a huge part of the charm was her playing it live on a piano. It wouldn't have been half as cool if she'd been programming that into a piano roll on an iPad ;)

    But with a clever sequencer and quantize off you could get there maybe.
    Hold a 8 note chord and write an opera :D

  • @Cib said:

    @brambos said:

    @Cib said:
    Sometimes 4 notes are enough....some people are gifted :)

    That brought a huge smile on my face - awesome! But a huge part of the charm was her playing it live on a piano. It wouldn't have been half as cool if she'd been programming that into a piano roll on an iPad ;)

    But with a clever sequencer and quantize off you could get there maybe.
    Hold a 8 note chord and write an opera :D

    Haha...I laughed too loud

  • @Cib said:
    Sometimes 4 notes are enough....some people are gifted :)

    Very talented :)

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @mschenkel.it said:

    And prolly a x0x seq is not the best place to explore odd timings(7/8 on 3/8 on 6/8) and microtonal scales.

    Why not? ET has only been the tuning standard for a hundred years or so, and it's an abstract goal that most acoustic ensembles abandon routinely on sustained chords. I see no reason at all to limit electronic music to a single tuning.

    This is a noble but doomed battle, I fear. One hundred years is nothing, but this has also been the standard temperament for the entire history of recorded sound. I love Harry Partch, but few would not say his music sounds “off.”

  • @realdavidai said:

    @Cib said:

    @brambos said:

    @Cib said:
    Sometimes 4 notes are enough....some people are gifted :)

    That brought a huge smile on my face - awesome! But a huge part of the charm was her playing it live on a piano. It wouldn't have been half as cool if she'd been programming that into a piano roll on an iPad ;)

    But with a clever sequencer and quantize off you could get there maybe.
    Hold a 8 note chord and write an opera :D

    Haha...I laughed too loud

    Lol, yeah. But indeed a few Reaktor sequencers comes close. They just have ugly GUI mostly.
    Ah, i wish Brambos makes a Spiral 2.0 sequencer next. You can do it ;)

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