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How To Switch Between Multiple Keyboard Apps On The Fly In Live Performance?
Is there any way to instantly switch between multiple keyboard apps (e.g., Neo Soul Keys, Korg M1, Arp Odyssey, etc.), IMMEDIATELY (as in the push of ONE button), on the fly, while performing, INCLUDING a specific set-up, with tweaks?
What I want to do is THIS: play a particular Fender Rhodes patch (e.g., "A Perfect Suitcase") to comp behind a sax player, then switch to synth (e.g., "trumpet" on Korg M1) for my own solo, and then switch back to Rhodes after my solo.
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Use AUM - you can mute/solo the individual instruments as you need them. Or you could assign them to different MIDI channels and switch channels on your keyboard. Numerous ways to set this up.
Also AB3 + midflow plugins could be useful.
There will be an app exactly for that, soon
This AUM thing sounds promising. I have Cubasis - even though I wouldn't want to always record the performance, I suppose I could use solo-mute buttons there as well?
I have AB3 - what are "midiflow plugins" Thanks!
What is it? Are you the maker? Thanks!
http://midiflow.com/audiobus/
Yes, it will be another Midiflow for Audiobus app.
Amazing!
Sorry to sound like a "MIDIdiot," but what is "Midiflow"? Is it an APP? Is there something I can get NOW to accomplish this? Thanks!
@Skyscrapersax I made a getting started video
Midiflow can do that already but it is a bit of work. You set it in such a way that midi notes from a midi keyboard are filtered to a certain channel conditionnaly to a cc# on signal recieved. I use nanokontrol buttons to filter a microkey to one or multiple channels. This way I can layer multiple Synth apps considering they can be set to recieve notes from a specific channel.
I use that also with gadget.
I have to say that this setup is kind of heavy on an older device, midiflow is somehow very heavy when doing this kind of filtering running in forground.
iOS is not made for multitasking which makes it necessary to do al sorts of workarounds suffering from an inherent instability, bugs, freezes, crashes, updates, updates over updates. I wasted so much time energy and money setting up things because I believed it was able to do multiapps setups with good potential, mobile etc. Such a waste. Should have went directly with ableton, and hardware, which are straight forward which means I finally gets music done.
iOS music is not completely bad, but be ready to loose a lot on the way of finding what works and what does not.
I am staying away from ios for live performance, way too much bad suprises!!!
I think this should be doable if you put each keyboard app in its own BM3 bank, set BM3 MIDI OMNI to on, and midi learn focus actions for Select bank A, Select bank B ... The last part assuming you have some pads on a controller, of course. Yes? Must admit I haven´t tried it, though.
^Just tried this, worked like a charm. Nice, I´m beginning to like BM3´s focus actions.
I wonder this as Mainstage replacement. Thanks for sharing it. If you make a video or some pics I will appreciate it
+1
I do this exactly as you need now with neo soul etc. The app ‘midiflow’ has channels going to the different sound apps, and app ‘midi designer’ is the midi controller app interface with all the apps running in the background. They are all you need. On the fly, I control neo soul, layr, ravenscroft, galileo etc. Been rock solid, playing live every week.
Also, I have each synth app on a different midi channel (not 1), my master keyboard outputting only on midi channel 1, and midiflow doing the magic by taking the elements of midi channel 1 that I want, and outputting to different virtual outputs, each app using only that virtual input
I don´t have any video capabilities, but it is really quite easy, and done in 3 minutes if you have a controller hooked up. Create banks A and B, put Thumbjam in bank A pad 1 and Magellan in bank B pad 1 (or any other apps). In BM3, hit hamburger icon top left corner, then gear icon to the right of the shopping basket, then MIDI. Right below, make sure "Route all midi to selected pad (omni)" is set to ON. Make sure you see your controller in the input devices list. To the right, scroll down in the Focus actions editor until you find "Select bank A". There, tap where it says "None" (in the Midi binding column), then push down the pad or button on your controller. Do the same for Select bank B (using a different button/pad). The text will change from None to the name of the controller/button you used. Now go back to Song mode (for instance), try tapping the buttons you just learned, and see that the focus changes between A and B. When you play the keys, only the app in focus will receive those notes. Easy!
I will follow that @bleep. Thanks a lot!
I will buy it !!!
I tried your suggestion. I get both sounds playing at the same time ??
I have not really used BM3 much. Still trying to get my head around it.
With OMNI on? Maybe your synths are picking up the midi directly? I didn't setup anything in the apps, I suppose BM3 handles the connection.
Btw, I happened to have the controller send on channel 4, while apps tend to listen on channel 1 by default. Don't know if it matters, though.
Any others tried this quick way of switching between playing multiple apps?
I will check the controller and app settings tonight after work. Yes omni is on.
Thank you for the suggestions.
Thanks, this seems like the ticket. Which MIDI "Designer" to get? The "Pro 2" version is $25; the "Designer XW" one is free, but only for one, particular synth. So, is it the $25 "Pro 2" the one that I need? Thanks!
OK, I looked at AUM and MIDIflow./Designer...
Anybody have a direct comparison? One is $19; the other $34, so before I buy both, I'd really appreciate some input.
Thanks!
I don't have the MIDIflow apps, but AUM is essential, honestly. It's mainly a mixer, and I hedged on it for a long time, but when I finally pulled the trigger I instantly understood why it's so worth it. It works great as a hub, especially for live playing - nice to be able to have everything accessible in one place.
I'll let the others chime in on the comparison and your specific use case.
Yep, midi designer pro 2 (design your own interface), midiflow behind the scenes doing what it needs.
This is my ioad pro 12” with midi designer on the left hand side controlling my synth apps, and onsong on the right with my database of music. I used to use AUM, but wasn’t necassary in the end, and more importantly, midi flow can mute the apps you are not using and NOT send them midi data saving cpu power, AUM just mutes the sound (as far as I can make out)
Thanks - your set up seems to be about what I'm trying to accomplish. I'm a litle confused by the name "MIDI"... designer pro, because my apps are MIDI, audio, or something called IAA. (yep, I'm new to iPad...). Neo Soul shows up as an IAA - but since you said it will work with MDP, I'll get it. I've bought a few apps that turned out to be useless, so I'm trying to avoid that!
BTW, since you sing (I don't; I play saxophone, which is my primary axe), are you running your vocal mic through your iPad? I'm about to buy a sax mic - I don't know of any that are iPad specific. What do you use? Thanks, Jeff