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Hardware MIDI controllers with visual feedback?
After a discussion in one of the Quantum threads about the MIDI Fighter Twister and the possibility of Quantum providing visual feedback to its encoder rings it got me about other MIDI controllers out there that offer this sort of visual feedback.
Specifically, I'm curious about MIDI controllers that can show 1-127 level based feedback, not 'on/off' feedback like the Launchpads. I realize the grid controllers often have a 'fader' mode but that resolution is too low for input (vs a slider/rotary). The has-to-have: the level feedback needs to be able to sent remotely—not just to indicate the current value of the slider/rotary on the hardware itself.
Here are the only ones I can think of, but I'm sure there are more.
- MIDI Fighter Twister
- Novation SL MKII (for the 8 encoders)
- Behringer BCR-2000 (all 32 encoders [56 if you count the 4 banks])
- Behringer BCF-2000 (8 flying faders, 8 encoders)
- Behringer X-touch series (edit: class compliant, thanks Dubbylabby)
- Kenton Killamix Mini
- Livid Base II
- KMI KMix
- KMI Quneo
As far as out of production gear, I know the Roland VS2480 can work like this. Surely there are other new and or older devices that can do this. Got any?
Edit: List updated. Thanks for the input folks.
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The Quneo?
Pretty sure most of the Livid midi controllers have some kind of 'light' feedback.
Not sure if these fully have the feature you describe, but worth taking a look at these I reckon.
Kenton Killamix Mini should do this too.
Behringer x touch (includding mini)
What you are touching on is the missing link in making software+controllers as good as hardware.
A while back, we were talking about which apps work well with these encoder type controllers, apps that send their knob positions out to the controllers:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/13537/deep-midi-question-any-synth-apps-send-their-knob-positions-out-to-external-midi-controllers#latest
It's a short list, but there are some good ones on there. The moog apps are the gold standard, because they not only send their knob position when you move it in the software, but also send all mapped knobs when you change presets- excellent.
Yep. According to http://www.kentonuk.com/kmanualspdf/kmixmini-uman.pdf.
Quneo, check. The 8 sliders make sense. Do you think the 16 pads are high resolution enough for programming something like Quantum sliders?
And yep, Livid Base II has slider feedback. Thanks!
Works with iOS?
Good stuff. Forgot about that thread. Cheers.
Class compliant.
https://m.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Desktop-Controllers/X-TOUCH-MINI/p/P0B3M
Beatstep original defo. Not sure about the pro but probably.
Thanks but the knobs don't display values on the beatstep (either). Looking for stuff that could show you the state of the target app.
Next Year, i want to build this Midi Controller Design Concept.
@freemobil64 Woa! Keep us updated.
@syrupcore. Pretty sure the launchpad pro and probably the launchpad rgb can display multiple visual feedback. The pro reacts to the velocity of the note sent back to display around 128 shades. I'm assuming the rgb does the same. Atleast for stuff like step sequencers with hardware indication of where the sequence is and also on/off the launch work pretty well. Will probably combine the launchpad with my twisters for 32steps of amazingness if possible.
Yeah. The problem is they're not very good for entering exact values between 0-127.
Not qualified to answer your question, but coincidentally I've been looking at the Behringer BCR-2000 and BCF's, after watching Tim Exile vids (I'm looking for controllers for Reaktor stuff). Worth watching his vids if you're interested:
All the wows. Main things for me from it are 1) he calls the entire thing "an instrument" and 2) he's being playing that instrument for 5 years. He did a TED talk and the first one-more-wow take away: he wrote all of the software it uses.
I do own a BCR. I use it mostly for programming my Roland Juno-1. I would love to use it for quantum. For the most part, I don't really like programming synths with it because it's laid out like a grid, not a synth but my main synth midi controller (X-Station) can't send the NRPNs the Roland needs so... After watching him, I'm now interested in using it for looping. 8 tracks with the knobs below it used for effects sends...
I'd love to know how he's integrated it into Reaktor, looks like he's written his own custom ensemble.
Very clever bloke, I love watching his videos. He's built a few things for Komplete, and they're one of the main reasons I bought it.
Need to get him interested in iOS, I reckon some of his instruments would port really well to the iPad, and would do wonders for the platform.