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Korg Gadget 3.5 update. how is it for stability?

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  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    At $150 - (less in £ because it's not sold through the app store) the Mac version seems like a pretty good deal now doesn't it?

    Assume you make music on your computer.

    I have a copy on my Mac but to be honest barely use it. I keep telling myself that when I get any time to make the 'the album' i'll use it for finishing and finessing tracks.

  • SamuSamu

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Thanks for the screenshots, it's still 'Invalid ID' when I try to get them as IAPs...
    Guess we'll have to use the filter in an IFX slot if filtering is needed :)
    (Would have been handy to have it as one of the effects).

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    ask a simple question....... and get? .... a load of blah blah blah about money and Korg suddenly being the Inland Revenue.
    but any road, thanks @Matt_Fletcher_2000 for the Vancouver screen shots, it looks like it will do the job and a bit more, though i agree with @Samu , filters used to be standard on hardware samplers, seems a slight shame a per note one isn't in there. I'll take it nevertheless.
    Korg not doing too good a job on collecting any of my dosh... it's still sat there in the itunes account waiting for them or apple to izzy wizzy the iap glitch away :)

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @Samu said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Thanks for the screenshots, it's still 'Invalid ID' when I try to get them as IAPs...
    Guess we'll have to use the filter in an IFX slot if filtering is needed :)
    (Would have been handy to have it as one of the effects).

    Yep - the Korg choice of what effects they make available in what Gadgets is a bit bewildering. Wouldn't it just be better to make all effects available inside all Gadgets?

    Anyway - now to try and work out how to get the Thumbjam cello samples somehow working in this Gadget. Possible do you think (I know that it won't do multi-samples for different octaves - so I might have to just make low, medium and high octave patches and run 3 instances).

  • YZJustDatGuyYZJustDatGuy

    Seems like Gadget is also on sale for $19.99

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @Samu said:
    Guess we'll have to use the filter in an IFX slot if filtering is needed :)
    (Would have been handy to have it as one of the effects).

    Yup, filtering and LFO of the parameters would make this a lot more useful. Shame really.

  • o_imsengo_imseng

    Sustain in EG1 and EG2 is the part where you set the loop point. When you sustain a note the loop settings will be in effect, so you can loop samples in there, this is may main interest, depends on how good the crossfade algorithms etc are.

  • firejan82firejan82

    I'm guessing most people who bought the Mac version (including me) already have and love the iOS version - It would really suck for us if we had to buy each new Gadget twice. And for people who don't own the iOS version Gadget for Mac is still a hard sell so Korg have to make it more attractive. There could be worse ways of Korg handling the pricing is all I'm trying to say.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @firejan82 said:
    I'm guessing most people who bought the Mac version (including me) already have and love the iOS version - It would really suck for us if we had to buy each new Gadget twice. And for people who don't own the iOS version Gadget for Mac is still a hard sell so Korg have to make it more attractive. There could be worse ways of Korg handling the pricing is all I'm trying to say.

    Yep - i'm fine with it to be honest.

    I hope Korg keep getting the revenue from Gadget that justifies them continuing to develop it.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @o_imseng said:
    Sustain in EG1 and EG2 is the part where you set the loop point. When you sustain a note the loop settings will be in effect, so you can loop samples in there, this is may main interest, depends on how good the crossfade algorithms etc are.

    Thanks. From what i'm hearing there don't seem to be any crossfade algorithms at all! It sounds like it's litterally just a hard cut between the start and end of the loop point. I might be wrong though.

  • firejan82firejan82

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @firejan82 said:
    I'm guessing most people who bought the Mac version (including me) already have and love the iOS version - It would really suck for us if we had to buy each new Gadget twice. And for people who don't own the iOS version Gadget for Mac is still a hard sell so Korg have to make it more attractive. There could be worse ways of Korg handling the pricing is all I'm trying to say.

    Yep - i'm fine with it to be honest.

    I hope Korg keep getting the revenue from Gadget that justifies them continuing to develop it.

    I'd like to add that with the Ableton Live export including plug in data, Gadget for Mac feels like an extension to the iOS version - from this point of view, buying gadgets twice to take full advantage of this awesome feature would disappoint a lot more users than whatever the number of disappointed users is now.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Sustain in EG1 and EG2 is the part where you set the loop point. When you sustain a note the loop settings will be in effect, so you can loop samples in there, this is may main interest, depends on how good the crossfade algorithms etc are.

    Thanks. From what i'm hearing there don't seem to be any crossfade algorithms at all! It sounds like it's litterally just a hard cut between the start and end of the loop point. I might be wrong though.

    no micro fades would be a bit crazy ,, especially if there is no visual zooming into the waveform to find a zero point!!? seems they put the student intern on gadget designing duties this time!
    still,, I will buy it ... if and when the ios version gets its act together

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000


    Here's some Lisbon grabs...

    So far I actually rather like it. Seems very nice for making 'Disclosure' sounding silky chord stabs. Very lush. More synth controls than the older Gadget synths.

    All the factory patches sound like Brussels though. So i'd say don't buy it unless you are a)love off-shelf EDM or b)are prepared to strip it right down and reconstruct it for your own purposes.

    The other thing I like about it is the chord pads (new to Gadget i believe). There are about 10 sets of Major and 10 sets of Minor chords given to you in this mode. You seem to have to transpose up or down if you're playing in a key other than C. The nice thing is you could use Lisbon to quickly get some interesting chords going, and then switch the track to any other Gadget if the Lisbon sound isn't what you're after.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @RockySmalls said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Sustain in EG1 and EG2 is the part where you set the loop point. When you sustain a note the loop settings will be in effect, so you can loop samples in there, this is may main interest, depends on how good the crossfade algorithms etc are.

    Thanks. From what i'm hearing there don't seem to be any crossfade algorithms at all! It sounds like it's litterally just a hard cut between the start and end of the loop point. I might be wrong though.

    no micro fades would be a bit crazy ,, especially if there is no visual zooming into the waveform to find a zero point!!? seems they put the student intern on gadget designing duties this time!
    still,, I will buy it ... if and when the ios version gets its act together

    You totally can zoom in to the waveform - sorry, I forgot to mention that. You can zoom in a LONG way. Similar to Zurich and the other audio Gadget. So that should help you find a zero point.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

  • TrueyorkyTrueyorky

    @AudioGus said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Earlier screenshots showed MIDI cc control :)

  • stormywaterzstormywaterz

    Apparently it integrates with maschine and komplete now :)

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Trueyorky said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Earlier screenshots showed MIDI cc control :)

    There is that but I mean automation recording within Gadget of those parameters.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Sustain in EG1 and EG2 is the part where you set the loop point. When you sustain a note the loop settings will be in effect, so you can loop samples in there, this is may main interest, depends on how good the crossfade algorithms etc are.

    Thanks. From what i'm hearing there don't seem to be any crossfade algorithms at all! It sounds like it's litterally just a hard cut between the start and end of the loop point. I might be wrong though.

    no micro fades would be a bit crazy ,, especially if there is no visual zooming into the waveform to find a zero point!!? seems they put the student intern on gadget designing duties this time!
    still,, I will buy it ... if and when the ios version gets its act together

    You totally can zoom in to the waveform - sorry, I forgot to mention that. You can zoom in a LONG way. Similar to Zurich and the other audio Gadget. So that should help you find a zero point.

    oooh! ok, that sounds more professional.. i've spent many a midnight hour trying to find zeroed loop point using only an akai dial and my ears.. so full marks to korg for that detail. I presume that means that the sample length isn't hobbled like in Bilbao and Abu Dahbi? ( i checked, still ridiculously short even in this 3.5 update )
    with the layers, polyphony and the modulation stuff it might make it nice to run long samples across many bars??
    tanks, and also tanks for pointing out the chord pads on Lisbon. might make it worth thinking about.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    OK, so patch 14, Feisty Lead - they seem to have got the tail looping with no clicks - so it's possible.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @AudioGus said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Yep - you can automate every function on the Gadget.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    but anyway...
    about the original question... on ios, all good? no glitchy, no itchy? not a hiccup? ( apart from this iap nonsense )

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Yep - you can automate every function on the Gadget.

    Well then... good work Agent2K.

  • SamuSamu

    @AudioGus said:

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Those parameters can be automated yes (as seen in the other screenshots) so they beat BM3 in that regard :)
    Also those parameters were already possible to automate in the Bilbao Gadget.

    Still no Files.app integration which I hope will come in 3.5.1 or so...
    (Imagine pulling up samples from BM3 folder-structure directly into Gadget and exporting from Gadget straight into BM3).

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @AudioGus said:

    @Trueyorky said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Earlier screenshots showed MIDI cc control :)

    There is that but I mean automation recording within Gadget of those parameters.

    Yep - just tried it. Very nice. You can mess with start, end and loop points while recording and it will record your moves as automation.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Trueyorky said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Sampler looks pretty well featured actually (more features than i'd have thought).

    The mix button brings up the UI shown above where you can tune your two samples. The sub is presumably there to add in some low bass tone.

    I'm not currently sure what turning the Sustain on EG1 or EG2 exactly does.

    Back in the main UI you can choose to loop the end of the sample or not - and the loop points. I reckon this might be quite click-tastic though (since Korg seems not to implement micro-fades) unless you pick your loop points very carefully. I've not really experimented though.

    Reverse does what you'd exact - and is nice to have.

    Polyphony is nice (Bilbao and Abu are both monophonic in that if you trigger the same sample in quick succession you get cut-offs and clicks).

    That's about it...

    You an load in your own samples if you like. When I get some time i'm heading for Animoog!

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Earlier screenshots showed MIDI cc control :)

    There is that but I mean automation recording within Gadget of those parameters.

    Yep - just tried it. Very nice. You can mess with start, end and loop points while recording and it will record your moves as automation.

    which, of course, makes it all the more frustrating the ios version is still playing the pr*ckT£aser!!

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Samu said:

    @AudioGus said:

    Can you automate start/length/loop/reverse?

    Those parameters can be automated yes (as seen in the other screenshots) so they beat BM3 in that regard :)
    Also those parameters were already possible to automate in the Bilbao Gadget.

    Still no Files.app integration which I hope will come in 3.5.1 or so...
    (Imagine pulling up samples from BM3 folder-structure directly into Gadget and exporting from Gadget straight into BM3).

    If I do get Vancouver I will probably just manipulate it hands on with some automation going while recording straight to a pad in BM3... which gets me thinking, why am I not doing this now with the Elastic Drums sampler? I have a ton of sketches just waiting in there heh. One of the resons I love this forum, gets me retracing my steps.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @RockySmalls said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @o_imseng said:
    Sustain in EG1 and EG2 is the part where you set the loop point. When you sustain a note the loop settings will be in effect, so you can loop samples in there, this is may main interest, depends on how good the crossfade algorithms etc are.

    Thanks. From what i'm hearing there don't seem to be any crossfade algorithms at all! It sounds like it's litterally just a hard cut between the start and end of the loop point. I might be wrong though.

    no micro fades would be a bit crazy ,, especially if there is no visual zooming into the waveform to find a zero point!!? seems they put the student intern on gadget designing duties this time!
    still,, I will buy it ... if and when the ios version gets its act together

    You totally can zoom in to the waveform - sorry, I forgot to mention that. You can zoom in a LONG way. Similar to Zurich and the other audio Gadget. So that should help you find a zero point.

    oooh! ok, that sounds more professional.. i've spent many a midnight hour trying to find zeroed loop point using only an akai dial and my ears.. so full marks to korg for that detail. I presume that means that the sample length isn't hobbled like in Bilbao and Abu Dahbi? ( i checked, still ridiculously short even in this 3.5 update )
    with the layers, polyphony and the modulation stuff it might make it nice to run long samples across many bars??
    tanks, and also tanks for pointing out the chord pads on Lisbon. might make it worth thinking about.

    Mmm - bad news people. Seems to me like there's a 10 second limit on samples. (Or actually very slightly longer than Bilbao - maybe 11 secs.

  • GoozoonGoozoon

    Amazing. I still have older version. When i open app store i see it was updated 12h ago with version 3.5 and OPEN button. No update

  • brambosbrambos

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Holy Skeuomorphism Batman!

    I like my synths with drop shadowy 3D buttons as much as the next guy, but this is quite extreme :D

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