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Advice for iPad/PC/Ableton combo
I haven’t been on the forum for a while due to some craziness my life. In that timeframe I did acquire a new PC and a copy of ableton live suite. In recent years I have been strictly an iOS loop pedal OMB musician. My question is regarding the PC. It is brand new with 8 GB of RAM and is a HP. I have no idea how reliable that brand is, all I know is it was on sale for a fantastic price. I am in a position to where I could take it back and get another computer. And this is where my question rest… Being an iOS musician I have heard over and over that a Mac is better than a PC. My question is should I take this computer back and get an iMac or a MacBook? I plan to use my iPads as VSTs with Ableton through Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Studiomux, and other avenues. I’m wondering if anyone has experience with this particular setup and has a PC? Is it working fine? I know I’m going to get differing opinions on this. But if I could keep this PC with no worries, will have money to purchase a push 2 controller. Advice?
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Oh dear
They both have their pros and cons. It depends on your budget and your preferences. I use Windows computers with iDevices via MIDI, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and audio interfaces, and it works well for the most part.
While I cant say I like all their stuff, HP generally is a good brand for hardware. They do install some software bloat.
The issue with PC for me personally is ASIO, the low latency driver most commonly used with music apps on PC. It works great if the only thing you do is make music, but if you want to watch a YouTube tutorial at the same time, ASIO will not allow the browser to generate sound. As I said, this was my own personal experience and maybe I was doing something wrong, but I hated having to quit the DAW just to watch a video with sound.
The other issue for me is that I always had trouble configuring the iConnectMIDI4+ on a PC. The app used to configure it just didn't work most of the time. Also the driver provided by iConnectivity never worked for me either. I spent hours troubleshooting, but it wasn't the hardware, it was Windows. After I switched to Mac ALL of these issues went away and I could just focus on the music.
Also, on the Mac you can run the free app soundflower which lets you route audio anywhere you like. It works great.
Mac ftw!
Such a range of options you have. FWIW, have successfully used Ableton on various PCs since V7. Live 9 is currently working well here on a well speced Dell laptop. Integration with ios has been painless for the most part, though I primarily just export audio for further processing in Live. Have successfully used studiomux in the past, but updates can be spotty which can be a big deal for software that integrates a constantly evolving parade of hardware and operating system changes.
Depends on your budget. The hi-res iMacs are stunning, and Logic looked beautiful on the screen for the short time I had one. But they’re not upgradeable, so you might end up having to buy another one in a few years time when the OS updates start crippling your CPU.
PC’s are cheap, you can replace bits that break or need updating, and they usually rattle on for years. But they don’t have the same quality feel as a Mac. And as mentioned above, the ASIO thing is a pain.
But they’ll do the job.
Windows Audio has made some strides in recent years. The WASAPI drivers included with Windows work quite well, and have an Exclusive and Shared mode. Unfortunately, Ableton Live 9 does not support WASAPI. Maybe they'll add it in v10?
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209068889-Unsupported-Windows-audio-driver-types-WASAPI-WaveRT-
Most other DAWs support WASAPI.
Ableton 10 suite uses far less cpu on windows than v9, huge difference on my not so new machine 4th gen i5, 8gb ram. Push 2 and v10 is an amazing combination!
The beta is open on Abletons website for anyone with a 9 standard or suite license, it takes a few days to get the invite.
Another way of integrating is to use apps that export Ableton project files. Korg Gadget, iKaosillator, Triqtraq, Patterning, Blocs Wave, Groovebox and ElasticDrums all support this feature. I use these apps and they are great for quickly getting ideas going which can be expanded further in Ableton. Dropbox is a good solution for sending the files across.
I have been using this app quite a bit since I got one or two packs in the sale, didn't realise it had Ableton export, thanks for the tip
I'm using Ableton Suite on both Win and Mac, and from a few years of experience with both I cannot say in general that one platform is better than the other.
Both Windows and MacOS are very robust and stable operating systems, and the problems that some people have are usually related to buggy applications, buggy drivers or - even more common - any combination thereof.
To be fair though, for more recent Windows versions you'll need a number of inofficial "hacks" to make it a professional system, which includes disabling a number of undesirable services and arbitrary update behaviour.
The more elaborate your concept of your ideal audio workstation is, and that includes all software and all hardware you want to combine, the more members of this forum will be able to state their opinion about it.
That’s good to here about cpu use. I’ve been waiting 9 days now now for a beta 10 invite.
I would go for the PC route and get that push 2 with the integration I heard it now has with Live 10 you won’t regret it. Studiomux for connecting the iPad still works great by the way.
HP Elite Desk i7 4770@ 3.40GHz with 16gig ram. iPad Air 2 with Studiomux into Ableton 10 Suite latest Beta.With Push 2. This is the most stable & powerful system i have ever had, & runs like a dream at the moment. Last year i had the same setup but with Ableton 9.7 and an i5 Elite Desk with 8 gigs of ram......that also ran really great. It's taken a long time to get here, but i can honestly say i now have the kind of set up that does what i want it too, and actually performs how i want it to. This is what i was trying to do in 1999. Time and affordability have finally made it possible for someone without huge amounts of money to have an amazing setup. These HP business machines run almost silently & never even get warm..........my advice would be to stick with it.....you will pay a massive premium just for the apple name if you get a mac..........hope this helps.....cheers.......
Lots of great advice here. Still kinda uncertain, but I agree...opting for both pc and push 2 is a no brainer. I can always modify my PC. And another thing is that I really only want to use Ableton live because I know it. At the current moment I have no desire to learn Logic Pro. And I use a lot of Novation apps and then there’s BM3...A Mac is not really a necessity right now.
Hearing you say this definitely helps! Granted my pc only has 8gbRAM (Which is upgradeable) still makes me a bit hesitant, but I believe sticking with this computer and spending the extra money on a Push 2 is going to pay off. The ableton live 10 integration looks amazing. And plus I remember reading an article about the Push 2 potentially being able to be used with iPads in the near future. Anyone remember this or heard any news on that?
Another question… Any advice on getting some of the bloatware off my computer? Is it as easy as uninstalling it? Or more of a process like rooting my phone was? Any help, suggestions or web links would be greatly appreciated on this subject too. Thanks guys...
Just uninstall anything you don't need. Mine had a fresh windows install so was completely clean. BTW i have the small form factor Elite Desk. Make sure all the drivers are up to date. Go into Device Manager to update your drivers. Use cc cleaner to keep it all running well, & install a good free anti virus. I use Avast, which seems to keep me safe & stays pretty much out of the way. There are a few things you can do to optimize your pc for audio. Just google "optimize win 10 (or whatever ) for audio" and you will find all you need to know.....that's pretty much it....oh yeah if it's not an SSD hard drive keep it De-Fragged......happy to assist if you need more help with anything.......Good Luck...
I always perform a fresh Windows installation on a new machine using a Microsoft download -- not the manufacturer's recovery media.
If you'd rather manually remove it, here's a couple of resources.
How to Clean Crapware From a New PC
https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477704,00.asp
https://lifehacker.com/the-complete-guide-to-avoiding-and-removing-windows-c-1630577558
My pc is a fraction slower than the setup @Iso is running, I have 8gb ram and it's not a problem at all. I do have an ssd which is highly recommended, I keep my system files, Ableton and some vst stuff along with what I'm currently working on. Everything else goes to an external usb 3 drive and I haven't noticed any issues.
I can agree with @Iso that this is the most stable setup I have worked with. Feels like I bought a new pc and even my Push 1 seems far more responsive. I put all my most used devices, vst stuff and fx chains in the new "favourites" folder and they show up first on Push when I go browsing.
A fresh install is great advice, as a side note this is my first pc where I have zero cracked software and I don't even stream tv shows etc