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Cubasis 2 or Garageband?
With the current Cubasis sale, now would be a good time to “upgrade” my DAW from Garageband...
I do love the workflow of Garageband (even better after the recent update) and the ability to use it on the iPhone too.
I’m just wondering what can be done in Cubasis that I can’t currently do in Garageband?
Any advice much appreciated
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I also use GarageBand and it bugs me that I can’t make my tracks in any signature other than 3/4 or 4/4. It gets annoying to record in odd signatures. However I saw a comment stating you can’t do any signature you want in Cubasis so that’s why I’m holding on that. Does anyone know if you can make 9/8 or 11/8 or any other odd signature projects in Cubasis or can change the time signature within a project?
To myself, the biggest difference is the layout and automations in Cubasis - everything seems so much simpler and to hand. That’s just personal though - GarageBand has never clicked with me
Moot point today boys, 2.3 is upon us now.
I could unlock my Cubase LE because I have a Yamaha mg16xu mixer, so I did just that......now I can do an iap for the full feature set for only €16,99, which is a good deal of course but already owning GB, BM 3 , Modstep and AUM so I’m trying to justify me buying this iap. Afraid I will regret it if I don’t......
You can use some odd time signatures in Cubasis but I'm not able to check right now to see if 9/8 or 11/8 are possible. You can't change time signatures or tempo in a project. Auria pro is able to do that but to be honest you're probably better off using a DAW on a computer if you want to be able to play with time.
Thanks guys.
I’ve seen talk about “freezing” tracks in Cubasis, is this the same as ‘merge’ in GB?
It also looks like midi editing might be a bit easier Cubasis..?
Doesn’t Garageband do 6/8 as well? I think only Auria Pro has these kind of odd signatures, grids etc., plus tempo changes if you’re into progressive music. But Auria Pro has a learning curve, more like ProTools and Logic than Garageband or Cubasis.
Freezing tracks is more or less like merging, yes. I don’t like the fact Garageband duplicates the project every time you merge a song.
To me the big difference in these two apps is how open they are. Garageband is a closed wall environment IMO - the only way to get stems out is to mute tracks and export them one by one. I love Garageband's interface though, so this limitation of not being able further manipulate what you produce in GB is frustrating.
Getting MIDI and audio in and out of Cubasis is a breeze.
MultiTrackStudio also has a tempo and time signature editor, (type in whatever you want) and is able to change either one mid-song. Cubasis does time signature in 4ths only 1/4-7/4
Well, I was a PC user. Now that I switched to Mac, I can continue the project in GB or Logic on the Mac. And all the sounds are there
Cubasis will do 2/4 through 7/4 (previous version; I have not yet looked at the update.)
Good on you @teleb. Not all of us own Macs
@Keenan
For me, GB has lots of cool sounds and the Live Loops workflow going for it, but I never felt comfortable trying to build stuff in the piano roll midi editor. I much prefer to do regular linear style tracks in Cubasis. Also as noted previously, GB is a pain to try to get it to work with other apps. Not impossible, but a drag compared to Cubasis.
The freeze in Cubasis bakes all the Midi and effects on a Midi track to an Audio track, like a pre-render. It saves on a lot of processing.
Cubasis is on sale right now, GB is FREE (and you already have it I see). I recommend both if you have the space for them.
Thanks, yeah it looks like Cubasis is more open ended. I guess I use GB as the “final destination” in the workflow, instead of trying to get GB instruments out (which would be great) to avoid frustration. AUs have made things a lot easier.
To be honest I don’t see myself making much use of piano roll note entering as it’s not as fun for me.
One thing I would like to know is if AUM only really works with Cubasis (I’ve seen Doug do it), or is there any way this could work with GB? I love being able to layer synths and fx in AUM for live playing but would ideally like to record directly onto a track in GB instead of using AudioShare as the go between... I’ve tried Audiobus 2 with AUM as ‘in slot’ and GB as out... it just crashes in audiobus
@Keenan Yes it works!
AUM can be hosted as an IAA source inside of GB. I just tested it and it seems to work great.
Wow I was totally over complicating that, thanks so much!!
When I need to get something out from GarageBand I just sequence it in GB, export the stuff as Audio and leave the session in GB in case I need to do some adjustments
(In practice GB is a 'content creator' for Cubasis).
To do the layer setup in AUM, you should send all of your synths to a AUM bus, load that bus on its own track in AUM as the input, then send the track output to GB. I think GB will only input one thing at a time, and if this is the case, premixing in AUM is the way to go.
So GB -> AudioShare -> Cubasis?
Do you export the GB track in 24 bit or doesn’t it matter?
I think there is a new workflow using the Files app on iOS 11. @samu is a true GB guru (actually a sort of all-knowing sage), hopefully he will weigh in and help you out.
As far as 24 bit goes- probably not necessary for just fiddling about, but I would definitely use it if I was doing something I cared about and quality was a major factor.
GarageBand can work in 24-bit if enabled in it's settings.
So yeah, the flow is, GB -> AudioShare -> Cubasis
(If Cubasis had Files.app support you could skip the step with AudioShare, and actually you can if you use 'Open In...' from GarageBand).
Actually any 'Document Manager' that is visible to the Files.app will do, it does't have to be AudioShare.
If one needs to download files from the Internet or Networked resources (NAS etc.) I recommend Documents by Readle (it works in perfect harmony with the Files.app). The cool thing with Documents is that once you've set up your networked resources they are accessible from the standard Document Picker... (Say hello to direct import of files from your computers hard-drive).
This sounds a lot like the Audioshare FTP server I wished was general feature in Files. Thanks @samu
Keenan. GB,s “Final Destination”. Doesn’t have to be there ,with the use of Mastering apps ie, Final Touch,etc.can add some super touches to the finished artical. I also noticed after recording throug AudioBus the apps I’ve used appear in recorded track icon in GB,very helpful
You guys have been super helpful, thanks again!
I’ll have to pick your brains again soon I’m sure, but I’ll leave that for another day.
Hopefully I can return the favor... anyone interested in some random Zeeon presets?
If you post them, they will come.
Dropbox link the only way?
Not sure if it's the only way, but it will work fine. I seem to recall others sharing stuff by way of Dropbox.
I tried to use GB to put down a sketch of an idea of a song that was knocking in my head lately. There was too much latency on the Guitar that I plugged in so I ended up using Cubasis and did whatever I wanted quite quickly.
So the answer is Cubasis. You don’t even need to get any iAPs as you could use external plug ins and export the mixdown to Audio Mastering or Final Cut for Mastering.
Errr, I meant Final Touch of course.
It seems Auria Pro would be a nice option for me. I don't want to use a computer because all I have is a shitty old one and I like working on my ipad. Thanks for the responses!