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Best app for editing & arranging audio?
I'm trying to find an app that is a quick and easy way to edit and do basic arrangement of audio files. I don't need a full DAW. I have most of them, but none of them really do what I need...
- I need a way to pull in an audio file
- Set the project BPM to match the file
- Allow beat/measure quantized/snapped selections/copy/paste
- Multi-track ability so I can grab a 4 bar loop from main audio, copy/paste to a new track, duplicate it, etc. in the new track so I can eventually use this new track as my ouput
Garage Band almost works, but the limit on the file size/length is too short. I need to be able to edit/arrange multiple-hour long clips...
It's the quantized/snapped piece that is proving difficult for me to find...
Any suggestion?
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Maybe Ferrite will do? (It's free to try).
https://www.wooji-juice.com/products/ferrite/
Audio Evolution might be a possibility. I’ve not tried it for a while, but is free to try the basics and seems to be getting updates.
Ferrite doesn't have a groove based timeline, but imho it's the best clip editor in IOS.
(convenient sample accurate editing is a must-have for me)
It can handle very long files, but doesn't feature fx-busses like typical DAWs.
The absence of a beat timeline can be circumvented by importing some (long) dummy beat as your ruler.
You may check the basic editing features with the free version - if you get along with it, I can make a test with a 1 hour file to check it's performance.
Whoa! That looks like it might be the ticket... No idea (other than App Stores HORRIBLE search of course) how I managed to miss it.
Yea, I actually looked a Ferite, but the lack of beat/measure snapping was a turn-off... Especially considering the rather high (by app standards) price of the full version...
Just to add, I personally find Cubasis the most easy jotting pad. Yeah its a DAW, but nowhere near as complex as as some. I just find cubasis so simple to get things going.
how could I forget Multitrack DAW (by Harmonic Dog) ???
Never used it with a beat based setting, but frequently recorded tracks about 45minutes long.
Very simple graphic (snappy performance) and you can't scale vertical, but a great audio engine (the developer once published some details on his site).
Classic workhorse, reasonable set of basic internal effects plus IAA.
Auria Pro. It doesn't autodetect the BPM - no iOS app does it reliably and no iOS DAW does it at all, but if you know what's the BPM already, Auria Pro is the only one that has a grid that's flexible enough - it snaps to any beat subdivision you can think of, and also to ticks, samples, absolute time down to miliseconds precision etc, and more important than all: 1) it has transient detection/non destructive warping and 2) tempo track for changes of BPM inside the song.
Not the easier one to learn of the lot, but by far the most powerful.
Yes! With MTD you can set the project tempo to match a recording (assuming the tempo doesn’t change). You can then have it snap to beats and measures for selecting areas to copy and paste to a new track, or another app. Light and quick, I think it covers your requests. I’ve used it a fair amount for exactly that. I just wish it had some sync options—Ableton Link would be lovely.
I've looked at that on and off in app store, but it seems like overkill for what I need/want... But then again I do appreciate having some elbow room with some apps... But man, it seems like a full DAW, and may be too much of a rabbit hole right now. I'll add it to my wish list.
Oh that's right.. F*'ing apple killed the wishlist!!!! Slap...
MTD may look like a DAW (and it has some of that functionality for shure)...
but I simply use it as my virtual 8 track cassette deck - nothing more.
On the other hand (re-reading the starting post) I'd rather revoke my suggestion: you will not be happy with snipping audio sections between tracks.
It doesn't matter for a couple of cuts in a live recording, but as a working paradigm it will definitely (!) drive you nuts.
You may in fact be better served by Auria, even if THAT looks like even more overkill.
Afterall you want a certain functionality - just ignore the rest of the app.
I once spent $800 on a desktop DAW just for cutting audio - and I never regretted the purchase - it enables me to do things fast as lightning and effortless.
The latter is the most important aspect and noticed only if cut/arranging goes for hours.
I enjoy it, and it feels relaxed regardless how long the session is.
(Ferrite came closest to this from all I tried in IOS, but it's a lot slower, more fiddly and not relaxed at all - too much concentration on proper positioning. I don't use grids...)
Aside from variable grids in Auria you will also like the auto-loop extension by dragging the right border of a selection. It's such features that make your work fun.
Love the idea of a dummy-guide-beat but this also means editing would be done purely visually with no snapping as there's no grid? Not an Unattractive notion in a Burial sense but for general track editing probably not The workhorse(?)
well, it depends on the sources you're gonna arrange.
Ferrite does snap to region boundaries, so if the original clips are cut to the beat, a pasted region will snap. There's also an 'invisible' snap to the current timeline position if you tap close enough to the big vertical marker for paste operations.
The visual representation is fast and precise, so you can dial a position on the guide and tap-paste close to the vertical line on another track.
Another method would be to split the long guide track at crucial position, which will result in snap-sensitive regions.
This will probably work if imported clips are based on the same beat, as these will provide time based snap points for arranging, too.
Not so cool if the timing of imported clips is unknown, as there's no stretching.
To be fair the developer straightly points out that the app is NOT intended for multitracked music in the first place, but it has some advantages in it's lean layout.
You will export single tracks anyway if you're after some mixing and effect processing, that's why the use of Auria or similiar apps apply better in most such cases.
Even if they are horribly designed in the cut/edit domain...
Seriously - you can do an edit job in Pro Tools 5 a lot better and that's almost 20 years old.
Let alone my personal favourite Saw-Studio... which has been quoted in the Reaper forum as '... some Nashville engineers operate it like greased lightning'
These apps have been around for ages, one of them THE industry standard - so imho it's plain stupid to ignore all workflow experiences and come out with literally NOTHING in this domain in such a smart user interface that IOS provides. Rant off...
See if this video is what you are looking to do:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/23045/demo-video-multitrack-daw-as-quick-loop-trimmer?new=1
Great info @Telefunky and all in this thread.
Yes, so easy and fast to stack up track after track. For non AU use I load up something with a lot of presets such as iM1 or Synthmaster player and after each pass I swipe the audio file to a lower track and repeat over and over . Extremely fast and then I can arrange after2ard if I am careful when naming them.
Speaking of Synthmaster, Isn’t Synthmaster One supposed to be out this quarter?
Perhaps a Christmas surprise?
DING F'ing DING we have a winner!
From one simian to another, bang up job! That's exactly the workflow I've been looking for.
Search is over. Bonus is that I'd never heard of Audio Evolution and downloaded it last night. Even as a free app it kicks ass!
Thanks guys!
I never cease to be amazed how a forum ostensibly created for audiobus is one of the most valuable, and civil, forums on the web for music stuff, even if there's no Audiobus usage in sight...
Nice! Glad to hear that works for you. I learned some things too.
Yep, this is a great place. Every time I come here I learn something new, get inspired or just laugh.