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You’re not being dim. That could be they’re reasoning, but my thing is there are knobs for filters and oscillators and envelopes, and we’re allowed to save presets so we’re obviously manipulating a lot. To my knowledge they’re “raw” samples of the oscillators of these vintage synths with all kinds of magical recreations of the filters. Doesn’t seem like it would be too hard to open up the filters and set the envelopes to zero nah mean?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s completely usable this way and a wonderful sounding rompler. I’ll eventually make my own init patch... for every single synth, but i really don’t think I should have to.
The presets use different samples for the synths though. Might be different mixtures if saw/square waves etc and filter settings from the hardware synths. So creating init presets is not much use unless they allowed you to select from the list of samples.
Alright that makes sense. I guess that’s the compromise and I’ll just have to treat it like a true rompler.
I’ve prayed for this day
EXACTLY
Anyone know how to adjust all the steps in a 16 step sequence? I can’t seem to find how you get to the second 8 as the screen does not slide over? This is in AU mode as they are all visible in full mode.
Anyone else getting crashes trying to render a mix from Garageband if it has Syntronik in it?
Also: Syntronik doesn't open at all in MultitrackStudio and Audio Evolution Mobile.
Alas.
Try a 2 finger swipe.
Thanks
Fun use tip:
Try setting up an arp and a Rozeta particle. Play the arp and then release the keys so that the particle plays. Get it just right and you have a few semi random notes between a set sequence
Anyone knows whether it is MPE compatible?
Cheers for checking.
Thrilled to have this as an audio unit now, I bought all
The iap’s for it early because I heard Auv3 support was coming.....sooooo....I’m on an Air2 so I’m not expecting to be able to run more than an instance or 2, but I’m having issues with one instance crashing in GarageBand when trying to merge it to an audio track or trying to export a mixdown. I was running one instance but had 2 synths layers so maybe I’ll try with just one instance with only one layer, but I really would like to use more than one layer. I was able to export from Cubasis and BM3, haven’t tested it in Auria Pro yet.
I’m curious to know how if performs on a new IPad Pro.
I can't merge a single layer instance with no effects in Garageband, unfortunately.
I'll stick my demo video here
As I feel some people are going to keep asking @ikmultimedia to unlock the Syntronik effects as AUv3s (and eventually get mad if they don't) I’m going to risk getting everybody pissed off at ME and explain why they might be a tad reluctant to do that.
The IK T-Racks series of audio processors (currently there are 38 of them) is one of the most expensive and highly regarded products they sell. While I doubt you will see many movies or TV shows scored with Sampletank (people mainly use Kontakt, Play, or UVI), you will often hear pros working with T-Racks. T-Rack bought new today in a box it is $529, although you can get it as low as $299 as a crossgrade download, and there are frequent sales. But keeping it up-to-date costs a pretty penny. And that seems right to me, as I’d be surprised if IK didn’t spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on programming and design developing the T-Racks line, with talented people working on it over many, many years.
Now IK is a very clever marketing company, so they repurpose this technology in other products. I think a lot of the R&D for T-Racks went into the Amplitude line, and vice versa. A lot of the stuff they sell on the app store, like Vocalive, Mic Room, DJ for iPAd, no doubt make use of T-Racks know-how, in a simplified way.
To my knowledge, they have never sold T-Racks directly on the app store. If they did bring out T-Racks for iOS, they would have to sell it like Amplitude, where you would buy a basic app and then expand it with in-app purchases. You would probably spend a LOT of money by app store standards to get everything.
Syntronik comes with 37 professional effects derived from T-Racks and Amplitude. And they come in a very well-thought out interface that is easy to use and truly fun to look at. They put a tremendous amount of love and care in transferring these effects into Syntronik, with a user interface that allows us to get the best use out of them. They’ve already improved the effects interface in an update and I’m sure they will keep doing it.
Do effects like this come with similar synth packages for computers? There is NOTHING like this in the Arturia V collection, which has listed for as much as $500. Zilch. Nada. There are effects in the free UVI player that is used with their much more expensive than Syntronik synth collections, but in my opinion, the stuff that comes with Syntronik blows them away.
When I first bought Syntronik it was $99 and then I happily bought it for iOS too. Why would IK just throw in all of T-Racks, even in a simplified version, for my initial $99 purchase?
So I’m just saying that if they listen to your request and let you use the Syntronik FX as AUv3s, then they are stark raving nuts. All of you pay good money for IAA and AUv3 effects. They have chosen to sit on a gold mine of tech for years. They could have sold individual reverbs, compressors and EQs and many people would have bought them for $10 or more each. They could have been doing that for years, but for some reason have chosen not to. Maybe that’s because T-Racks are their crown jewels?
So are you grateful that IK has given you 37 pro-level effects essentially “free” in Syntronik. Not one bit. You want more. You expect more.
Well I say, thank you IK. Well done! I really appreciate that you have gone so far beyond the call of duty to make a great product like Syntronik.
Yeah can appreciate that
Even though it crossed my mind about the fx, I’m still over the moon that it’s gone AU. I know some think it’s just a rompler, but hey it really makes some great sounds with plenty more to be coaxed out of it. Personally for myself it’s software of the year!
Can I attempt to clear something up about “it’s just a rompler and not a full synth” which seams to get levelled at Syntronic on a regular basis. Syntronic presets come in basically 2 varieties, raw waveforms and full patches. All can be adjusted in the same way, but the “full patches” ones are mostly intended to be used “as is” perhaps with minor tweaks, while the waveform ones are more for creating your own presets. If you select a particular synth and then Timbre/Basic in the Filters section, then you will have a list of the waveforms available for that synth, and they mostly don’t have much going on regarding envelopes, cutoff, etc. and so act as a good base for creating your own sounds.
A standard synth will produce raw sounds in the oscilators section, which then passes through a filter section and finally an amplifier section to control the volume and overall shape of the sound. Rather than having modelled oscilators, Syntronic uses sampled oscilators in their place, but everything else is as you would find on a standard synth. If you think about say a Minimoog, each Oscilator has a choice of six different raw waveforms and you can combine them at different octaves and intervals. But how many combinations would most people use on a regular basis - probably quite a limited nunber. And as Syntronic offers over 60 samples under the Basic category just for the MiniMod synth covering individual oscilators and the most frequently used combinations, it probably has you covered for most if not all of the oscilator combinations that you would actually use in practice. And as you can then shape it through a variety of filters, envelpoes and LfO, just like any normal synth, then I think it is just as flexible as most synths - and way more controllable than most “rompler” instruments.
You do have direct control over having a second oscilator or not and detune of that - and quite often people just use the same waveform on a second oscilator and detune it for a richer sound, so that is covered (even on their version of the Tb-303 which only had one oscilator on the original!). There are things that are not covered, but I think these fall within the 2% of speciality patches rather than the 98% of bread and butter sounds. And you probably have other synths in your arsenal to cover that sonic territory.
It also sounds really good! And that is before you even get into the wonderful effects section. So can you consider it to be a full synth - absolutely! I am also delighted that it is now usable as an AU.
P.s. oh yes, and then the ability to layer up to 4 separate synths not only adds to the possibilities, it can sound immense! And I haven’t even mentioned the independent arpeggiators...
@PhilW - that’s fair.
I ran two instances each of Model 15 and Syntronik in AUM and it crashed, but I expected that. Not disappointed. I think that’s ok for my typical use. Ymmv.
Perfectly agree that there is so much it can actually do. I sorta called many things romplers in the nineties, even if strictly they weren’t
Still whatever it’s correct term, it’s great and I’m getting sounds I love outta it 
I think it all comes down in the end to the sounds. I like what I can get out of Syntronik and the UVI synths (which also start with samples rather than raw waveforms) more than what I've been able to get from the Arturia synths. What I like about the Arturia synths is the emulation of the original synth interfaces. If I was a better programmer, maybe I could achieve miracles with these things. But it's a lot to expect that I could learn how to program all those synths. But I do enjoy messing around with my own copy of a CS-80.
But the presets (particularly the multis) in Syntronik and in UVI synth packages are more inspiring to me.
I could be very wrong about this, but doesn't Animoog start with samples too?
Animoog uses wavetables which have 16 (I think) individual waves mapped across from left right, and you can select any 8 wavetables vertically. Most wavetables change the sound in some way, so one that most people can relate to would be to change pulse width as you go from left to right, another might mimic different vowel sounds mapped across. And because you can then trace a path around the different waves and also orbit around that path, you have a huge variety of source sounds and movement, even before you get to the filter stage.
@Reid said:
As far as I know “Thanks” is an expression of gratitude .
I'd be more than happy for this to happen.
My typical use case with Syntronik is to typically use just one or two layers of Syntronik at a time triggered from the same keyboard - haven't really gone all in on the multilayering yet, though that's obviously a great advantage to this synth. Has anyone tried 2 instances of Syntronik in AUM each with 3 or more layers? I assume, maybe wrongly, that this might be less prone to crashing than trying to run 3 or more separate instances in AUM.
You're right, of course. I got carried away writing my long screed and overstated things.
I apologize.
But having been on this forum for awhile, I find that no matter what developers do, people always seem to want more. When new features are announced, there is often a litany of new requests.
My argument is just that asking IK to unbundle the effects is a big ask, for the reasons I stated. It's more reasonable for them to sell them separately and I'm glad that @richardyot is open to that.
Greedy buggers aren’t we!
Mind you, I don’t know IK’s business model and until reading your response I just included the FX as part of the Syntronik app. When I read the app is going AU then I’m thinking the whole shebang will be AU so I can use it to the fullest in my BM3 workflow.
I’m truly grateful for these sonic treats though. Amazing really.
Animoog starts with single cycle waveforms which makes it closer to a wavetable synth. Syntronic as do most ROMplers rely on multi-samples. The initial download for Animoog is 51.9 mb, pre-IAP download for Syntronic is 581 MB.
AGREE 100%...