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Don’t know if this will help... but.
Wish we could just hang out for an afternoon.
@MonzoPro maybe you could record a video with iOS 11 screen record and post it, going through the different pages in your setup. It was pretty easy to spot the errors in the other thread when a similar video was posted.
I’ll give it a go, thanks.
You’d be very welcome Gus, you’d need a snow plough though....
I’ll try RajahP and your suggestions in a bit. This all confirms to me what a maze BM3 is without detailed step-by-step tutorials though. There are just so many options, on different screens, that it’s very easy to miss something. Just puts me off using it.
Update: got it working - RajahP’s screen fixed it.
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Just came to the same conclusion in the other thread.
I mean, I don’t expect this to be simpleton fodder, but bloody hell it’s an uphill path.
You both maybe, be jjumping back to your laptops and desktops in 2018, over on CDM, in 2018 INTUA hinted they will be bringing BM3 to desktop!
Read the interview here.
http://cdm.link/2017/12/beatmaker-caught-ios-music-trend-even-started/
The workflow has been an issue for me since day 1 - it takes a long time to find your way around, and if you don’t use the app for a few weeks it can take a while to refamiliarise yourself with it. Which puts me off using it as I can’t just drop in and out, as I do with other apps and DAW’s.
I thought I’d give the new AU functionality a spin, and after trying to follow the 100 mph video for an hour just couldn’t get it to work.....so I had to get help on here, and pointers to a setting I didn’t know about, and wasn’t shown on the vid. Then I got it working, but had spent a miserable hour working it out.
I don’t like knocking the app, as the functionality and look of it probably make it an ideal workhorse for what I do, and one of the best apps in its class. But with such a complex (and at times unintuitive) workflow, casual users need proper step by step tutorials.
I’m going to put aside an hour each night this week for BM3, hopefully by Friday I’ll know what I’m doing.
Sounds great, but they need to look at how other developers, such as Affinity make life easier for their users with comprehensive guides and tutorials.
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Exactly. I get the idea that BM3 has a lot to offer, if only average users can work out how.
You and I both, and no doubt very many others here, have a history of music making, computers, and in particular IOS based music apps. We can ‘do’ this stuff, and accept that some apps demand more time to master. But...
I’m a long way from being expert, yet I can do what I want, most of the time, in Auria Pro and Cubasis. Complex apps, but not inpenetrable, and with lots of resources. BM3 just makes me feel like I’m constantly missing something....and usually am. This is not encouraging.
I can pretty much go with what @MonzoPro said. I am however sticking with it, as it has started to become familiar to myself, but o how I’ve sweated! I really hope BM3 continues to evolve. I do appreciate that iOS is not completely equal in its viability as a profit machine for complex apps at this time and hence I give companies that try a lot of leeway (and forgiveness in some ways). I can see that much more is needed in the way of a comprehensive manual and video support, but understand that these things take time and skill that cost money.
I’m hoping that to compensate for the lack of official idiot support (now I don’t mean that in a derogatory way - I’m sure Intua are working really hard and doing what they can), that a large fan base grows up around this product that does much of this for them. Instruction videos are not easy to do well. Manuals can take an age to get that sweet spot for most users levels of knowledge.
I really like BM3. If I didn’t like it so much, I would have given up by now and I can understand people getting frustrated or even just giving up totally! I’m sorta investing in BM3 - I’m buying sound packs that while useful, are expensive considering I could just make my own with all the apps I own. It’s my way of giving a little more back that hopefully helps keep BM3 viable.
The fact that Intua rolled out AU Midi compatibility is a good sign that they have their fingers on the pulse. The stability is getting there. I have used some IAA in BM3 without the usual nightmares involved. I rarely use IAA these days unless I really have no AU alternative or I’m just playing about with apps.
For now, IMO the future for BM3 looks bright, although there will be some dark frustrating times for many of us to battle through
It's something they need to work on - either with comprehensive guides and/or by making the workflow more intuitive. Then they've got a killer product, and people like me and you won't have frustrating times with it. I seem to have spent all my time working out where things are with BM3, and not actually making any music.
I'm giving it a week of my time (again). By the end of that I want to have made a little track with it, and explored all of what it can do for me. I can see the potential, but if the rest of the week is filled with more faffing about then I'll go back to my Gadget/AUM combo.
Well at least you can say you’ve given it a shot
I think sometimes we want to succeed even when some apps just are not for us personally. It’s like Model 15 for me - I know it’s wonderful, yet I just can’t get comfortable with programming it (and I program lots of synths). I keep going back to Model 15 and wasting time on it, as at some point I really should just give up and use my time more wisely lol
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Working with the SnuV__, it took me about 6 months to really get to grips with it, to find myself becoming productive and enjoy the process. Sometimes I had no idea and had to go searching on YT but eventually things lodged in my brain. Now I'm there it feels like a natural expression to work within it's UI. I haven't given BeatMaker 3 nearly that amount of attention and struggle because every option always takes so much hunting and pecking. Like @MonzoPro and @Fruitbat1919 and @Zen210507 and others I will persevere some, but damn is it frustrating!
This sums it up for me too.
I remember similar criticism being aimed at ModStep when it came out....I personally found ModStep very easy to pick up and use....but BM3 leaves me feeling inadequate
Good job our respective better halves don’t judge us on our BM3 prowess then
I think it is for me though....my desktop DAW of choice is Maschine, which is a very similar, pad based 'beatmaker', and 50 times easier to use despite having more features. And the way Gus uses it with desktop audio would fit perfectly into my workflow.
I'll carry on with BM3 too, but I'm sure this could all be so much easier (and fun) than it is.
Welcome to the club!
As someone who uses both an MPC and Maschine maybe that's why it wasn't hard for me to pick up. Did it take some time to learn yes. There are definitely things in the workflow that needs to be improved. Especially where overdub is (maybe its just me). iMPC Pro is still the quickest app as far as learning an app from scratch for me but I don't even use it anymore. BM3 took all that away and I used to use impc pro everyday.
BM3 totally overwhelmed me at first. It wasn't until I made a track with it (instead of just fiddling) that it became more clear how to use it. The advice that @AudioGus has offered about concentrating on sampling and using the pads (and avoiding scenes) is spot on. I'm still annoyed by BM3's quirks from time to time but it honestly took me less time than I thought it would to get to the "I'm not thinking about it" stage.
I wonder what the dev. would have made of (and maybe done a little differently) if he could have read this thread a year ago? Great app, but obvious UX problems OR a lack of explaining the UI in a manner which helps folks get to the click point. The irony is that the consensus on BM2 was great capabilities too much pfaffing....perhaps acorns and trees etc.
Wait.. There IS NO step by step guide? Argh
Writing a 'step by step' manual for BM3 would be like writing a 'step by step' manual for using a computer.
Things can be done in so many different ways that every single user would need their own custom manual...
Well said.
I see BM3 as a workshop with around a hundred tools in it and for a particular project I may just need five or six. Knowing what to ignore or skip is just as important as what to use.
Also, I recall spending a couple hours early on with the volume off, just jumping around BM3, not even listening to anything but just seeing what connected to what. When I took a break from making music and just did some UX exploration, setting up macros, modulating stuff, noodeling automation, messing with the piano roll simply for the sake of it, then I think it helped me learn without pressure to create. Why not? Jazz musicians would sometimes sit with their horn and just do finger work without blowing a single note.
Sounds dodgy to me
Joking aside I do get what you are saying, and I have done this exploratory exercise, it is what I normally do with a new app. Within the app, as in using the app itself, I can see what is going on and it is working OK....I was at the point of 'How are scenes related to Song mode ?' but think they are not, 2 different ways of doing the same thing essentially, but with using scenes you can interact with it more while playing ?
Where I am still having difficulty is with routing midi in from and out to external devices.....I think I may be onto one reason I am having trouble....those pesky focus mappings that have been the subject of some 'edgy' exchanges.
Not giving up totally, but having a small break from trying to figure it out in order to make some music...then I'll continue on the journey...I'm just hoping that at the end of it BM3 helps me organise my library of samples and patterns in such a way that I can use it as my main librarian and arrangement builder, but allowing me to easily offload the 'sound making' effort of the CPU to my external gear which has limited storage so have to be able to swap in and out samples and patterns etc...
And I think that’s an important point therein - Take time away to make music as an app this complex cannot be learnt in a day. Yes, I agree that some things could be made simpler, but I thing there may be a risk of losing some of its open ended working nature if that was done.
I think when any of us have little break throughs, we should try and post them here if at all possible. It’s amazing how just little pieces of the puzzle quickly make the whole more visible
Going back to previous points regarding having too many options....it is not having the options themselves that is the problem...it is not knowing WHY there are options....once you know that, then which option to take becomes more apparent
It’s like me being at a posh banquet and trying to figure out the cutlery
That's not well said at all.
My pet hate, is software without proper documentation and tutorials. Why? Because it wastes my precious time.
I wasted an hour last night getting something to work, and couldn't because one option wasn't selected. An option I didn't know about, and no end of jazz horn-blowing would have led me to discover it. It wasn't in the tutorial, so until someone on here pointed it out I had no idea it even existed. I lost an hour just doing that one thing, and it made me cranky. Music software shouldn't make you cranky, it should make you smile - otherwise it's not doing it's job properly.
Hooray for people who have hours to spend learning a new app via a process of trial and error - fantastic, I wish I had time like that to waste. I don't. I need step by step guides so I can learn where everything is and then get on with the process of making music. I didn't spend twenty quid just to fuck about getting cross.
However, you do have plenty of time to spend complaining about it here.
Sorry, just a jest. Please don't mind me. I can't help myself.
There ARE manuals and videos for computers. Every major DAW has a step by step manual as should Beatmaker 3. There are folks like Audio Gus and Samu that are intuitive learners but some of us are rite learners and we need to be sooon fed, step by step. Auria Pro is a good example as is Quantum sequencer .
I am of the opinion that Intua are getting there though. On their forum, the links for the following are quite useful