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AUM control surface app and sequencing
Hello,
As lot of you here, AUM tend to be my main iOS music hub. Especially as I use iPhone 7 Plus, AUM sounds great in 32 bits, allows for great routing and AUV3 using with much better cpu management than GarageBand. What misses of course is traditional sequencer, but it allow for very direct and live creativity, you just work on your sound.
I’d like to construct some more advanced song structure in live mode, and real time mixing seems to be the way to go. As you know AUM on iPhone don’t allow for more than one channel at the same time view. So we need something else. I already can use my Nanokey studio, but I want an iPhone only setup too. Kymatica should really add a full horizontal mixer view for that!!!
I used touch osc which give decent results to control faders, mutes etc in AUM. Sometimes it crashes, but it’s really full screen which is nice.
What about KRFT? Anyone use it with AUM to control mixer, AU effects and instruments, or file players nodes starts/stops?
Any other good apps for that purpose?
As an alternative, does anybody use with succes Infinite/Aleph player or Xequence for controlling AU effects automation? Doesn’t workflow a little too much traditional in comparison with very open and lively AUM possibilities of thinking music?
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Midi Designer Pro 2 is stable and works well. TB Midi Stuff also, though it's getting a bit long in the tooth. Lemur is powerful but limited in it's on-device editing, and I'm not gonna hook up a PC to build templates.
Aleph could work for you as well, and has the advantage that it has sequencing too for when you want it. It's not as sophisticated as a control surface, but it could be an option. Aleph has pads that can be configured as notes / toggles / or faders, and assigned to what you want, but it's not like you're going to be building any fancy control surfaces like you could with a Midi Designer type app. Still, it could do the job.
KRFT is really cool and could also do the job, but it's all knobs, no faders. As a live performance, and even composition tool, it's fabulous, but I'm not sure really what you're envisioning.
Midi Designer Pro would be my first recommendation I think based on how I understand your OP. Or KRFT, if you also want sequencing.
You can try my lemur template made to control aum+rozeta which would take care of sequencing.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/22961/lemur-cc-transition-tool#latest
Xequence works well with AUM if that's what you want.
I got midi designer pro 2 because it had a template to a synth i had. It resets to main screen every time you switch apps.. Makes it too much pain in the ass to use.
You can set “No Welcome Screen” in the options to defeat that.
Ah, well that explains why this what i thought was a bug wasnt fixed
It’s a totally stupid thing to have on as a default. Who would want that?
Thanks for all of your answers.
I’m searching for a way to improvise song structure with effects automation and mixing capabilities.
I come from Ableton Live, I don’t want and it’s not possible to reproduce exactly that workflow on iOS for sure. I’m used to make some sound design on various audio and midi loops using wav files and vst-i tweaking things with effects using ableton enveloppes, jamming using follow actions, scenes etc and reworking things in arrangement view.
GarageBand for iOS has that kind of workflow, but what misses is enveloppes on effects automation, and auv3 effects are really too much intensive with no freezing options. 4 audio damage plugs on a drum loop and I can’t even export properly my work.
I use a lot gadget which has very good sounds and automation enveloppes but no auv3. So I have to export. As I use BeatHawk 2 for world sounds and blocs wave for various sound material, I always have to export all my stems and choose where to work with them to finalise song arrangement. I can import in Gadget, GB, Lauchpad, or AUM.
AUM has very good audio engine, is stable and has that kind of originality as you work on sound without typical left to right dawish workflow which I always hated and feel unnatural. Real music don’t go left to right. I’m searching for real continuous workflow, something simple to work on sound textures and song structures. I’m at ease with AUM I’ve to said.
But I need tools to improvise song structure, not only mixer automation but effects automation too. Triggering loops too. It seems that I can use KRFT to send midi to control AUM mixer, trigger file players, use midi loops to control various automations settings on auv3 effects which is very interesting and can be a way to make different variations of a same material. The evident limitation is if I want for exemple 10 audio drum loops AUM file players are far from ideal for that. There is no perfect solution on iOS for sure, and no bm3 on iPhone for the moment. But it’s interesting and creative to search for tools that works for your most natural workflow. Just buyed KRFT and will try all that midi stuff.
Yea well the problem is that you use a phone, not a ipad. There are much more and better apps for ipad than iphone. For example the lack of proper sequencers for phone is astonishing. Maybe try beatmaker 2 while phone version of 3 is in the works? I dont think AUM is the right app for you. Its still just a mixer taken to a next level, and due to lack of proper sequencers(and other apps) for phone, you cant get the same use out of it than what you would with ipad. Not saying AUM is not good, i use it myself all the time, but i use it for its intended main use, not trying to build a pseudo daw around it.
I know iPhone has limitations on apps, but for me it has something inestimable on mobility and this has increase my creativity so much that I’m in addiction with that device. Add to that the issue with some apps projects syncing between iPhone and iPad which breaks workflow too. Same issue with iPhone to laptop it’s usable with ableton project export but that brakes my quickness. I’m a saxophonist so all my projects have sax tracks, I use audio a lot. Gadget do the trick with huge effects tweaking, but auv3 effects are hard to miss here. Ddmf eq and compressor, blamsoft reverb, audio damage plugs like dubstation or VoiceRack fx pitch effects are essentials to my sax sound now. Bm2 don’t allow for auv3. Sure AUM is only a mixer, not sure it’s a viable way of doing things on long term but it’s stable and sounds right for me. I improvise my sax with my blueboard pedalboard and loopy goes to AUM, whole performance is recorded in a stereo file and that sounds good. It’s different from daw I used in 10 years of digital music, but that simpler workflow is inspiring. Producing live, not being able to make corrections after performance is interesting from an arstistic point of view. It’s like right and left brain, rational and emotional. Things have to go fast to be creative in my case. I try to limit export/import as much as I can too. I have to try that KRFT/AUM midi control combo and see what it’s capable of for my needs, if I want to do a more advanced song structure than with foot controller for my sax improvising, or use a more open app that Gadget. Perhaps I will go back to laptop one day, I don’t know. iOS is not really pro, lot of bugs everywhere, workflow issues, but really it’s like a fresh inspiration vs regular way of thinking music production IMO. Limitations are frustrating but too much tech capabilities sometimes leads my brain to artistic bug. No dev fix for that : ))
@Janosax: If you're looking for the most complete sequencer on iPhone, you should check out Xequence, which works well with AUM and even has a dedicated section in the manual on how to use the two together. It is still missing MIDI file import/export but that's coming in a matter of a few weeks.
^ +1
Also, KRFT, though in a very different paradigm.
I start to play with KRFT to control AUM.
First thing with file player nodes in AUM is that they haven’t got quantized synced stop, only start. So it’s not clean to trigger that way, there are always audio clicks. Better to control channels mutes like a traditional mixer, but it’s not my best choice, I really prefer synchronisation for loops triggering. Loopy HD is perhaps my only way to do that, with proper syncing and multi outputs which can go to AUM for using AUV3. A good thing with iphone is you can have loopy hd and regular loopy. So it’s 24 loops possible you can control with Audiobus remote. Or triggering can be done via midi and KRFT.
Second thing, I find a way to use KRFT to control for exemple replicant 2 bits knob. But I want to do an automation loop, and no cc available. I have to use notes on KRFT loop cell to control replicant knob. It’s interesting but not what I want. Is there a way to do a midi out cc parameter loop in KRFT?
If not can Aleph Looper do that?
Sure Xequence can but I want live capabilities.
I would think KRFT would be the best fit for the scenario described, but I know Wim has likely spent the most time in this space. I’d personally defer to his recommendations.
Just tried with morph cells that’s interesting. There are modulations parameters to automate AUV3 knobs via cc. You can modulate for exemple mix knob with various lfo shapes and duration, set the morph cell with toggle or hold integration, and create different cells for variations. But I can’t find a real way to do automations curves midi clips.