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DO NOT BUY THESE │ USB Lightning cables - haQ attaQ 262

Why buy the expensive original Apple lightning cables when there are cheaper alternatives basically littering the lightning cable market? Since I'm getting asked about this a LOT I decided on literally wasting my money on a pair of third-party non-brand lighting cable copies, just to show you why I keep insisting on purchasing the proper Apple stuff instead.

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  • Amazon basics certified work great for me and not too expensive...

    https://www.amazon.ca/AmazonBasics-Apple-Certified-Lightning-Cable/dp/B010U3XO3Q

  • @AudioGus said:
    Amazon basics certified work great for me and not too expensive...

    https://www.amazon.ca/AmazonBasics-Apple-Certified-Lightning-Cable/dp/B010U3XO3Q

    Yes these have been great for me too, sadly their USB C cables are extremely poor quality, was very surprised by that.

  • I’ve bought probably a dozen Amazon Basics lightning cables and have never had even one problem.

  • Oh. Except for the one I chewed up in the vacuum cleaner.

  • edited December 2017

    "Amazon Basic" is just a name for an chinese importing company, which uses the same name of of a copied product for different (!) products they are selling instead.

    That means: The Cable xxx is 3 months maybe OK (good to get good reviews from customer), then they may change to a different (cheaper) product without telling you, then they change it again.

    You can never be sure what you get from "Amazon Basics". Additionally you will always have the chance to get a faked mfi-compatible product, which turns into incompatible after the next iOS update...

    Good luck with Amazon Basics for Apple compatible products!

  • edited December 2017

    @Looping_Loddar said:
    "Amazon Basic" is just a name for an chinese importing company, which uses the same name of of a copied product for different (!) products they are selling instead.

    That means: The Cable xxx is 3 months maybe OK (good to get good reviews from customer), then they may change to a different (cheaper) product without telling you, then they change it again.

    You can never be sure what you get from "Amazon Basics". Additionally you will always have the chance to get a faked mfi-compatible product, which turns into incompatible after the next iOS update...

    Good luck with Amazon Basics for Apple compatible products!

    Quite the elaborate conspiracy then...

    https://www.amazon.ca/b?node=10063702011

    They even hacked the website to have a custom storefront. ;)

  • Problem is: The original expensive Apple Lightning to USB cables are quite unreliable as well! Having used more than 10 original cables, all handled with really great care at all times, and none of them shows any mechanical damage yet (they all still look like new), I have to say that the reliability of the Lightning connector with any cable is not even close to the old, previous 30pin connector and cables. Using 30pin might have been a little bit more fiddly, having to take care about inserting the plug with its correct orientation, but I rarely had any trouble with flaky connections, too low charging current and connectivity issues overall.
    Also, shortly after eventually a few hardware manufacturers have taken the risk of expensive "Certified for Apple" product launches, Apple had decided to introduce a new connection standard again, making old hardware obsolete for newer devices ... but that's another story.

    Maybe I should try the Amazon cable?

  • I’ve been using an Amazon lightning for my everyday charge cable for the last 6 months and it’s been perfect. No sign of wear at all. Can’t say that for the Apple cable it came with though.

  • My Amazon cable seems to hold up to abuse better than the Apple one did and has been with me from iOS 9-11 with no problems.

  • My father learned the hard way, thinking he was saving a bundle by stocking up on cheap walmart “onn” brand lightning cables. Within a year of use, his Air 1 battery has degraded to the point where it doesn’t even charge enough to power on. It only managed less than an hour for the prior few months.

    I’m going with anker or amazon basic in the future, never again taking a chance on anything less.

  • @Looping_Loddar said:
    Good luck with Amazon Basics for Apple compatible products!

    Thanks, as I’ve said, I have had extremely good luck over a period of years, and with every member of the family abusing them. The evidence at least in my case contradicts your theory.

  • Here is a example thingy..... I've got (& still use an iPhone 4.... Not 4s) still works..... Still make phone calls ect. But when it the was the "The phone to have!" Back in the day, I bought non Apple cables....... Yep!...... it done the same thing. Not compatible(iOS 7)....... Anyway, but now when I use the same non Apple compliant cable today, it now works. But at the time, it didn't....... All cheap 30 pin cables from China work, whereas it didn't before at the time. Strange a? ........ Maybe a secret Apple design so they try an make you buy an updated iPhone?....... Same thing happened to my old iPad 2........ Conspiracy theory,?.... or not?..... But I'm still using the ole girl(iPhone 4) today. But obviously, not making music on it any more, not unless I use the old Audiobus/Thumbjam/Rebirth for iPhone & MTD. :)

    nah!........

  • @wim said:

    @Looping_Loddar said:
    Good luck with Amazon Basics for Apple compatible products!

    Thanks, as I’ve said, I have had extremely good luck over a period of years, and with every member of the family abusing them. The evidence at least in my case contradicts your theory.

    Anecdotical evidence.

    So, now i know what you prefer. For other user it maybe is interesting, that "Apple certified" Amazon Basics products usually have the same pattern: In the beginning lots of positive reviews (>90 percent) and from then on about 30 percent unsatisfied customer.

    This is a very stable pattern.

    With Anker you will get no pattern like this - the starting reviews don't smell so much like "fake". Additionally you will get a really great customer service - as far as i know.

    (try the same with "Amazon Basic" - LOL)

  • wimwim
    edited December 2017

    @Looping_Loddar said:

    @wim said:

    @Looping_Loddar said:
    Good luck with Amazon Basics for Apple compatible products!

    Thanks, as I’ve said, I have had extremely good luck over a period of years, and with every member of the family abusing them. The evidence at least in my case contradicts your theory.

    Anecdotical evidence.

    So, now i know what you prefer. For other user it maybe is interesting, that "Apple certified" Amazon Basics products usually have the same pattern: In the beginning lots of positive reviews (>90 percent) and from then on about 30 percent unsatisfied customer.

    This is a very stable pattern.

    With Anker you will get no pattern like this - the starting reviews don't smell so much like "fake". Additionally you will get a really great customer service - as far as i know.

    (try the same with "Amazon Basic" - LOL)

    I’m bored. Y’all have fun with this fascinating discussion. See ya. B)

  • I never had to buy an extra cable (in it since iPad 2), because none of the cables that came with the devices ever broke (still using the oldest 30pin and lightning cables without a hitch), but as a technician on the fairground meet lots of people using cheepest cables, that most of the time don‘t work. I‘ve also given up on substituting my own cables, because people handle things without any care nowadays, be it their own or not... .
    Buy the real things, treat them nicely and they treat you back reliably, always works...
    (just my simpleton opinion...)

  • @animal said:
    I never had to buy an extra cable (in it since iPad 2), because none of the cables that came with the devices ever broke (still using the oldest 30pin and lightning cables without a hitch), but as a technician on the fairground meet lots of people using cheepest cables, that most of the time don‘t work. I‘ve also given up on substituting my own cables, because people handle things without any care nowadays, be it their own or not... .
    Buy the real things, treat them nicely and they treat you back reliably, always works...
    (just my simpleton opinion...)

    Hey, I can get behind that.

    Yes, I've got a few knock off cables, completely useless following iOS updates or wear.

    It pains me to pay full price for the official stuff but it's the way to go for me.

  • @wim said:

    @Looping_Loddar said:

    @wim said:

    @Looping_Loddar said:
    Good luck with Amazon Basics for Apple compatible products!

    Thanks, as I’ve said, I have had extremely good luck over a period of years, and with every member of the family abusing them. The evidence at least in my case contradicts your theory.

    Anecdotical evidence.

    So, now i know what you prefer. For other user it maybe is interesting, that "Apple certified" Amazon Basics products usually have the same pattern: In the beginning lots of positive reviews (>90 percent) and from then on about 30 percent unsatisfied customer.

    This is a very stable pattern.

    With Anker you will get no pattern like this - the starting reviews don't smell so much like "fake". Additionally you will get a really great customer service - as far as i know.

    (try the same with "Amazon Basic" - LOL)

    I’m bored. Y’all have fun with this fascinating discussion. See ya. B)

    I am always glad that people using anecdotical evidence as a form of science are immediately bored with facts.

  • As the saying goes you get what you pay for

  • edited December 2017

    The important thing to look for with third party products is Apple MFi Certified

    I used to follow the orthodoxy and use only official Apple cables, but after going through a couple of those, I researched third party alternatives. And yes, if you buy some cheap non-MiF Certified product, you will have the problems you see in this video.

    But I have had excellent results from an Anker MiF Certified cable. I have never had connectivity problems, and it has proved to be much more durable and was about third the price of an official Apple cable. So even if my Anker cable failed after a year like Apple cables can when you subject them to the kind of demands of pro Audio like we do, I could buy two more replacements for the price of one Apple cable.

    So while the old rule of “only official Apple” may be good advice, you should not be afraid to try a well-tested third party MFi Certified option like Anker or Amazon Basics. In my experience, you will end up with something that is BETTER (more durable, longer, cheaper) than official Apple cables.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    The important thing to look for with third party products is Apple MFi Certified

    I used to follow the orthodoxy and use only official Apple cables, but after going through a couple of those, I researched third party alternatives. And yes, if you buy some cheap non-MiF Certified product, you will have the problems you see in this video.

    But I have been had excellent results from an Anker MiF Certified cable. I have never had connectivity problems, and it has proved to be much more durable and was about third the price of an official Apple cable. So even if my Anker cable failed after a year like Apple cables can when you subject them to the kind of demands of pro Audio like we do, I could buy two more replacements for the price of one Apple cable.

    So while the old rule of “only official Apple” may be good advice, you should not be afraid to try a well-tested third party MFi Certified option like Anker or Amazon Basics. In my experience, you will end up with something that is BETTER (more durable, longer, cheaper) than official Apple cables.

    But Professor Loddar clearly stated the following scientific facts...

    "Amazon Basic" is just a name for an chinese importing company, which uses the same name of of a copied product for different (!) products they are selling instead.

    You can never be sure what you get from "Amazon Basics". Additionally you will always have the chance to get a faked mfi-compatible product, which turns into incompatible after the next iOS update...

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    The important thing to look for with third party products is Apple MFi Certified

    I used to follow the orthodoxy and use only official Apple cables, but after going through a couple of those, I researched third party alternatives. And yes, if you buy some cheap non-MiF Certified product, you will have the problems you see in this video.

    But I have been had excellent results from an Anker MiF Certified cable. I have never had connectivity problems, and it has proved to be much more durable and was about third the price of an official Apple cable. So even if my Anker cable failed after a year like Apple cables can when you subject them to the kind of demands of pro Audio like we do, I could buy two more replacements for the price of one Apple cable.

    So while the old rule of “only official Apple” may be good advice, you should not be afraid to try a well-tested third party MFi Certified option like Anker or Amazon Basics. In my experience, you will end up with something that is BETTER (more durable, longer, cheaper) than official Apple cables.

    But Professor Loddar clearly stated the following scientific facts...

    "Amazon Basic" is just a name for an chinese importing company, which uses the same name of of a copied product for different (!) products they are selling instead.

    You can never be sure what you get from "Amazon Basics". Additionally you will always have the chance to get a faked mfi-compatible product, which turns into incompatible after the next iOS update...

    >

    Just opinions, bruh. I feel ya, but ...

  • edited December 2017

    @AudioGus said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    The important thing to look for with third party products is Apple MFi Certified

    I used to follow the orthodoxy and use only official Apple cables, but after going through a couple of those, I researched third party alternatives. And yes, if you buy some cheap non-MiF Certified product, you will have the problems you see in this video.

    But I have been had excellent results from an Anker MiF Certified cable. I have never had connectivity problems, and it has proved to be much more durable and was about third the price of an official Apple cable. So even if my Anker cable failed after a year like Apple cables can when you subject them to the kind of demands of pro Audio like we do, I could buy two more replacements for the price of one Apple cable.

    So while the old rule of “only official Apple” may be good advice, you should not be afraid to try a well-tested third party MFi Certified option like Anker or Amazon Basics. In my experience, you will end up with something that is BETTER (more durable, longer, cheaper) than official Apple cables.

    But Professor Loddar clearly stated the following scientific facts...

    "Amazon Basic" is just a name for an chinese importing company, which uses the same name of of a copied product for different (!) products they are selling instead.

    You can never be sure what you get from "Amazon Basics". Additionally you will always have the chance to get a faked mfi-compatible product, which turns into incompatible after the next iOS update...

    >

    The problem with "Amazon Basic" is that it is quite unclear what you get. It can be OK. It can be a faked MFI product. It can be clear crap. It can change on weekly basis.

    This is very typical for amazon basic. It does not mean that 80 percent is crap. Maybe "only" 25 percent. Amazon has a well proven tradition of selling counterfeit on a regular basis.

    (for example: When you buy an "original" Apple earpod via Amazon "from Apple" - this is what Amazon tells you, you will have a 70to 90 percent chance to get counterfeit crap - the audio quality will be dramatically bad. To get original Apple products the Amazon store is just a bad idea, a really bad one.)

    The next thing to consider is the customer service. This is a reason i would avoid "Amazon Basic" and prefer Anker or another good chinese company instead.

    Amazon Basic will do their very best to get the test samples to the right people. They are clever. They pay for test reviews. Oh, and i will never trust a "test review" which only offers buying products from Amazon. This stinks on so many levels, sorry.

    Last word:

    When Amazon writes that a product is "MFI certified" this just don't have any meaning. Sorry. It can be true or untrue. Nobody knows.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    The important thing to look for with third party products is Apple MFi Certified

    I used to follow the orthodoxy and use only official Apple cables, but after going through a couple of those, I researched third party alternatives. And yes, if you buy some cheap non-MiF Certified product, you will have the problems you see in this video.

    But I have been had excellent results from an Anker MiF Certified cable. I have never had connectivity problems, and it has proved to be much more durable and was about third the price of an official Apple cable. So even if my Anker cable failed after a year like Apple cables can when you subject them to the kind of demands of pro Audio like we do, I could buy two more replacements for the price of one Apple cable.

    So while the old rule of “only official Apple” may be good advice, you should not be afraid to try a well-tested third party MFi Certified option like Anker or Amazon Basics. In my experience, you will end up with something that is BETTER (more durable, longer, cheaper) than official Apple cables.

    Good Advice......... ;)

  • Maybe just lucky, but my wife and I have owned many iPads and iPhones over the years and never had to replace a cable. Probably just jinxed it.

    If I had to replace a cable, for the peace of mind, I might just go with an Apple one. But good to know about the Anker MiF Certified ones.

  • @Looping_Loddar said:
    . Sorry. It can be true or untrue. >Nobody knows.

    yup

  • @wim said:
    Oh. Except for the one I chewed up in the vacuum cleaner.

    How did you get in the vacuum cleaner?

  • @johnfromberkeley said:

    @wim said:
    Oh. Except for the one I chewed up in the vacuum cleaner.

    How did you get in the vacuum cleaner?

    Lol :D
    Can’t answer that or without revealing that I revisited this goofy thread. I can say the experience truly sucked though.

  • edited December 2017

    Some people (like myself) actually use mobile devices, well “mobile”. It’s not about not treating your gear well. If you’re basically using you device mostly at home on the sofa or mostly with your device on a stand and not traveling much, then yeah maybe the stock cables will suffice.

    If you’re actually using your mobile device as a mobile device, traveling with it on a motorcycle or backpacking where you’re taking it in and out of storage, charging on the go in airports, bus stations, cafes, or from an external battery in your pack... the stock cables are notoriously poorly designed and will fray quickly. Apple will replace them without issue if you’re inside your year warranty, but how horribly designed the stock cables are is no secret.

    Regarding the Amazon basics cables, I’ve only used one for a few months through several iOS updates without issue. The material they’re made from is braided like quality headphone cables and made to flex a lot. The Apple plastic cables split at the connector ends exposing the bare wires fairly easily and quickly. I’ve rarely had one go the full year of warranty without having to be swapped out at the Apple store.

    So far, my experience with the Amazon Basics cable has been good and it seems like a much better designed product than the Apple ones, but time will tell.

  • I just ordered “smart cables” which shut off automatically at 80%

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