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Beatmaker 3 live arrangement practice jam

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  • @tja said:
    Interesting.

    Wouldn't that be easier with the scenes mode?
    I cannot tell, as I have no practical BM3 experience.

    Depends on how you have your patterns set up, for scene mode to work best all your patterns need to be the same length. Since my patterns are different lengths didn't use scenes, although I did have 3 scenes set up in this session.

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    Patterns could be any length in scenes previously, have they changed scenes and made that not work now ?

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    @Samplemunch said:
    Patterns could be any length in scenes previously, have they changed scenes and made that not work now ?

    Say for instance Pattern 1-3 are 4 bars long and pattern 4 is 3 bars long. When you put pattern 4 into a scene with patterns 1-3 it will add an extra bar to pattern 4 and stretch the pattern to align with the other patterns which screws up the timing. But then again I have not found any mentions of scenes in the manual so I'm still figuring it all out thru trial and error.

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  • @tja said:

    @hacked_to_pieces said:
    Say for instance Pattern 1-3 are 4 bars long and pattern 4 is 3 bars long. When you put pattern 4 into a scene with patterns 1-3 it will add an extra bar to pattern 4 and stretch the pattern to align with the other patterns which screws up the timing.

    That's realy stupid.

    Hopefully, it can be worked around or better fixed by Intua.
    At least, there should be an option for this - even if I cannot image where such a stretching would be useful. You could stretch this anyway, if you want to.

    It doesn't need fixing, the OP is trying to do something that you simply don't do that way, if you want different bar lengths then you would put them in a different scene, it makes no sense at all to put a 3bar pattern in a 4bar scene, just create a scene for the 3bar patterns.

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    @Samplemunch said:

    @tja said:

    @hacked_to_pieces said:
    Say for instance Pattern 1-3 are 4 bars long and pattern 4 is 3 bars long. When you put pattern 4 into a scene with patterns 1-3 it will add an extra bar to pattern 4 and stretch the pattern to align with the other patterns which screws up the timing.

    That's realy stupid.

    Hopefully, it can be worked around or better fixed by Intua.
    At least, there should be an option for this - even if I cannot image where such a stretching would be useful. You could stretch this anyway, if you want to.

    It doesn't need fixing, the OP is trying to do something that you simply don't do that way, if you want different bar lengths then you would put them in a different scene, it makes no sense at all to put a 3bar pattern in a 4bar scene, just create a scene for the 3bar patterns.

    Let me explain what I mean in the screenshot patterns 3, 1 and 10 are 4 bars pattern 1 is 3 bars the 4 bar is a rest , and I have a habit of moving the event handle to the nearest bar. In song mode, this plays back as expected. If I try to make a scene with the 4 patterns and even if I extend pattern 1 to 4 bars in scene mode it moves the notes to fill the length of the pattern ignoring the rest which changes the timing. So how do do this in one scene and preserve the timing?

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  • @hacked_to_pieces
    So how do do this in one scene and preserve the timing?

    In pattern edit mode, just drag the loop brace out to four bars.

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  • @tja said:
    I tried to understand what you wrote and opened BM3.

    But even as i realy do not understand the scene mode, I could not even align patterns in the song mode!

    It just does not let me do this!
    It always either overlaps the patterns or there is a gap between them.

    So, either I totally miss something, or you cannot properly arrange patterns at all, which is even far worse then I thought before.

    Yes, you are missing something. Everything is fine.

  • good tune. dark :)

  • @audiorangutan said:

    @hacked_to_pieces
    So how do do this in one scene and preserve the timing?

    In pattern edit mode, just drag the loop brace out to four bars.

    I did that but in scene mode it sometimes ignores the rest and changes the note position which screws up the timing. So that why I didn't use scene mode for this particular track. I have used scene mode on the projects it worked perfectly. But that not allows the case.

  • @Samplemunch said:
    It doesn't need fixing, the OP is trying to do something that you simply don't do that way, if you want different bar lengths then you would put them in a different scene, it makes no sense at all to put a 3bar pattern in a 4bar scene, just create a scene for the 3bar patterns.

    Of course it does! Only by putting a 3-bar and a 4-bar pattern into one scene, you can create scenes playing [bar].[beat] like this:
    Pattern 1 (4-bar): 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4, 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4, 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4, 1.1 1.2 1.3 ...
    Pattern 2 (3-bar): 1.1 1.2 1.3 2.1, 2.2 2.3 3.1 3.2, 3.3 4.1 4.2 4.3, 1.1 1.2 1.3 ...

    This is a well-known pattern arrangement helping to introduce some variation with only two patterns. Inside BM3 I often struggle finding a way to do the simplest stuff that I'm used to from Ableton Live.

  • @hacked_to_pieces said:

    @audiorangutan said:

    @hacked_to_pieces
    So how do do this in one scene and preserve the timing?

    In pattern edit mode, just drag the loop brace out to four bars.

    I did that but in scene mode it sometimes ignores the rest and changes the note position which screws up the timing. So that why I didn't use scene mode for this particular track. I have used scene mode on the projects it worked perfectly. But that not allows the case.

    Well you got it working for you. Thanks for sharing your process. It looks like a fast way to sketch out a full song. I hope BM3 will someday be able to record our scene jams onto the timeline.
    Cool track. I like the moody melodies with the 808s. If anything, I would like to have heard a mid section that changes or mutes the opening arp that plays for the entire length. Nice mood.

  • I’m convinced Intua will be able to fix this in the future updates, just don’t forget to submit that issue to them

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  • edited December 2017

    @tja said:

    @audiorangutan said:

    @tja said:
    I tried to understand what you wrote and opened BM3.

    But even as i realy do not understand the scene mode, I could not even align patterns in the song mode!

    It just does not let me do this!
    It always either overlaps the patterns or there is a gap between them.

    So, either I totally miss something, or you cannot properly arrange patterns at all, which is even far worse then I thought before.

    Yes, you are missing something. Everything is fine.

    And what exactly is fine?
    It seems it just does not work with BM3, neither in Scene Mode and also not in Song mode.
    If it is possible to align patterns with different lengths, please tell us.

    Change your snap value from 1bar to 1/2bar if you want to use a 1.5 bar clip like in your screenshot.
    Top right corner.

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  • edited December 2017

    @tja said:

    @audiorangutan said:

    @tja said:

    @audiorangutan said:

    @tja said:
    I tried to understand what you wrote and opened BM3.

    But even as i realy do not understand the scene mode, I could not even align patterns in the song mode!

    It just does not let me do this!
    It always either overlaps the patterns or there is a gap between them.

    So, either I totally miss something, or you cannot properly arrange patterns at all, which is even far worse then I thought before.

    Yes, you are missing something. Everything is fine.

    And what exactly is fine?
    It seems it just does not work with BM3, neither in Scene Mode and also not in Song mode.
    If it is possible to align patterns with different lengths, please tell us.

    Change your snap value from 1bar to 1/2bar if you want to use a 1.5 bar clip like in your screenshot.
    Top right corner.

    Ah, great - that works!
    Thanks!

    I tried to use Scenes, but as it seems, each Scene can only contain one single pattern, which make this a bit useless for arrangements.

    Or do I miss things again?

    A scene can have one pattern from each track in your project. In scene mode you select
    whatever pattern you want from the pattern list that appears when you press and hold in the scene cell. Just repeat the process for each track you want to add a pattern to for that scene. Then you can add another scene and repeat the process.

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  • I haven't read all of the above very carefully. But, the way scene mode works for me is: if I add a 1 bar pattern for one bank, a 2-bar pattern for another bank, and finally, an 8-bar pattern for the third, the 1 and 2 bar patterns repeat as necessary to fill up 8 bars. In other words, shorter patterns loop to the length of the longest pattern. This is just fine for me, and represents what I see as a "scene".

    It sounds as if there is an odd length pattern in there (say 3-bars) it gets thrown off? I haven't tried this.

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  • wimwim
    edited December 2017

    @tja said:

    @wim said:

    I could not see that the patterns are filled up, the small one just gets repeated while the larger is still playing the first round - which is quite regular with any apps that use loops of different sizes.

    That's what I meant. I think we're saying the same thing? I don't see what's wrong with that. It's how I would expect a scene mode to work.

    To describe this differently: The scenes would be incredible more powerful and usable when they could contain multiple, aligned patterns of arbitrary length, each.

    I don't understand what you're driving at here, but it's not important. I don't really use the scenes mode myself. I prefer to use the song mode, with the patterns list open at the side. Then I pick a bank and touch various pattern combinations until I get something I like. From there I quickly arrange in the timeline and move on to another loop. Similar to what the OP is doing, except in a way that ends up building a song timeline. This is just one workflow that "clicks" with me, though maybe not with others.

    BTW @hacked_to_pieces, nice job!

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  • So if I understand, each pattern is assigned to its own separate bank correct?

    @StudioES said:
    Dope tune @hacked_to_pieces .

    In a Scene, each Bank's Pattern will run at it's original length, even if each Pattern is a different length than the others.
    Below is an example where each Bank's Pattern is a different length. Take a look at the individual playheads in each slot - each one is at a different position for each Pattern since each Pattern has a different length.

    You can even make 1.25 bar, 3.5 bar lengths, etc., just be sure your quantiztion snap is set properly before lengthen/shortening the Pattern length in the Pattern Editor. You can also make course adjustments to the Pattern length in the Track Helper.
    Sometimes you'll need to press STOP in the transport to get things to sync up first.

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  • edited December 2017

    @StudioES said:
    Dope tune @hacked_to_pieces .

    In a Scene, each Bank's Pattern will run at it's original length, even if each Pattern is a different length than the others.
    Below is an example where each Bank's Pattern is a different length. Take a look at the individual playheads in each slot - each one is at a different position for each Pattern since each Pattern has a different length.

    You can even make 1.25 bar, 3.5 bar lengths, etc., just be sure your quantiztion snap is set properly before lengthen/shortening the Pattern length in the Pattern Editor. You can also make course adjustments to the Pattern length in the Track Helper.
    Sometimes you'll need to press STOP in the transport to get things to sync up first.

    Thank you! That's the answer I was hoping for. Got it working now :smile:

  • @audiorangutan said:

    @hacked_to_pieces said:

    @audiorangutan said:

    @hacked_to_pieces
    So how do do this in one scene and preserve the timing?

    In pattern edit mode, just drag the loop brace out to four bars.

    I did that but in scene mode it sometimes ignores the rest and changes the note position which screws up the timing. So that why I didn't use scene mode for this particular track. I have used scene mode on the projects it worked perfectly. But that not allows the case.

    Well you got it working for you. Thanks for sharing your process. It looks like a fast way to sketch out a full song. I hope BM3 will someday be able to record our scene jams onto the timeline.
    Cool track. I like the moody melodies with the 808s. If anything, I would like to have heard a mid section that changes or mutes the opening arp that plays for the entire length. Nice mood.

    I kind of bought BM3 Hopi g you could have it live record your scene jams into the song mode hopefully one day.

  • . I hope BM3 will someday be able to record our scene jams onto the timeline.

    I kind of bought BM3 to do that so hopefully it can someday soon.

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