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edited December 2017 in General App Discussion

Wotja 2018 (with various new features) is out on Monday and available for pre-order at $14.99, and the final version of Wotja 2017 (now down to $9.99) will be withdrawn from the app store; there'll also be an accompanying update to regular free/subcription Wotja. But more immediately to the point, tomorrow (Sunday) is when the desktop versions of Noatikl and Mixtikl will follow the iOS versions to oblivion – so if you need to update them, or want to grab them before they're gone, this is the last chance to do it. (There are still some Noatikl features that haven't made it into Wotja, such as the bar and beat counter, and some that seem irreconcilable with Wotja's Mixtikl-based cell structure, such as the ability to set a random start key.)

Incidentally, if you purchased the iOS version of one of these apps in the past, it seems that they and other discontinued apps are (amazingly) still in the app store, but just invisible, and you can download an .ipa in iMazing; removing an app from sale seems not to remove it from the store itself. This also works for Alchemy and Z3ta+, if you ever bought one of them and want an .ipa you can install on another device.

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  • I supported these guys and promoted their pioneering works since long before they were under the current name. Koan, ring any bells?

    The Intrrmorphics apps always left a lot to be desired, and the interface was akways poor, but the promise was there, with so much potential. I kept on buying ‘new’ versions at full price, which should really have been updates, doing my bit to keep the wheels on the generative bus rolling. As did many others, I have no doubt.

    Then came the stupid subscription models, whereby it would be possible to loose access to one’s own music, by choosing not to buy the next year. Or, cough up what for IOS is a high one off price, with no guarantee of update in the usual manner. It all began to feel like robbery on the digital highway.

    So I deleted my intermorphics apps in protest, long before they were allowed to expire, and gave up on the developers. There are far better people to support, IMHO.

  • @Zen210507 said:
    I supported these guys and promoted their pioneering works since long before they were under the current name. Koan, ring any bells?

    The Intrrmorphics apps always left a lot to be desired, and the interface was akways poor, but the promise was there, with so much potential. I kept on buying ‘new’ versions at full price, which should really have been updates, doing my bit to keep the wheels on the generative bus rolling. As did many others, I have no doubt.

    Then came the stupid subscription models, whereby it would be possible to loose access to one’s own music, by choosing not to buy the next year. Or, cough up what for IOS is a high one off price, with no guarantee of update in the usual manner. It all began to feel like robbery on the digital highway.

    So I deleted my intermorphics apps in protest, long before they were allowed to expire, and gave up on the developers. There are far better people to support, IMHO.

    I am a happy bunny by nature, but in my mind I call Mixtikl Myxomatosis.....it was an early love on iOS and as you mention despite its obscure interface I held out all sorts of hope for where it was surely going. Not so much.

    I guess you can't 'invest' in apps on the basis of 'not yet, but one day' without some of them being duds. Nature of the rabbit.

  • Oh dear, remix an app and sell it as a new one????

    Then add subscription fees?

    I was disturbed to find out that the audulus dev did the same thing, released version 2 and deleted the original

    Baaaad news

  • @Zen210507 said:

    Then came the stupid subscription models, whereby it would be possible to loose access to one’s own music, by choosing not to buy the next year. Or, cough up what for IOS is a high one off price, with no guarantee of update in the usual manner. It all began to feel like robbery on the digital highway.

    So I deleted my intermorphics apps in protest, long before they were allowed to expire, and gave up on the developers. There are far better people to support, IMHO.

    In fairness, this isn't actually how subs work in Wotja: losing access to your music if a Wotja subscription expires is exactly what doesn't happen. All the files are still there and playable; what you lose access to is play time and editing functions, and those are restored if and when you choose to resubscribe, or if you open your files in another version of the app.

    I entirely appreciate there's a lot of hostility to subscription models, and that I'm probably coming from an unhelpfully different place here because Noatikl and now Wotja have been absolutely central to my workflow and my life, and there's literally no developer I'm happier supporting. (I ponied up for the top-tier sub just because it's the closest to what the app's worth to me, but I do like living inside the idea of being able to code a composition that would play for a week, even though there's not the slightest chance I'll ever do it…) What I would say, though, is that IM have actually been pretty exemplary in the way they've implemented the model; they've gone the extra mile in trying to engage with users and offer a range of models (including quite unusual things like a free trial period and non-expiring paid versions that get lots of updates) at friendly prices, as well as engaging responsively with users and delivering with very frequent updates. Just deleting an app isn't a particularly effective form of protest, since it's not as if the dev ever knows; Tim & Pete are only too keen to have feedback and have responded thoughtfully to it in the way they've progressively tweaked the model.

    All that said, there are bound to be people who don't need the app enough to feel it's worth it to them, and that's completely fine. The combination of extremely deep and extremely niche is never not going to be a barrier, and most of IM's recent efforts to make it more accessible has gone into features like text-to-melody that are geared to the kind of Enoesque plinky noodling that is exactly what I like least about what it can do. I still love it to bits, but then I think The Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars film…

  • I would be interested to know how it is working out for them financially.

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    @Masanga said:

    Just deleting an app isn't a particularly effective form of protest, since it's not as if the dev ever knows; Tim & Pete are only too keen to have feedback and have responded thoughtfully to it in the way they've progressively tweaked the model.

    Oh, they knew. A review meant I was sent a cringing developer response, trying to justify their abandonment of apps, subscription, etc.

    As with all developers, I respect their right to do whatever they want with their apps. But it’s my choice whether to go along, and I don’t trust them.

  • I like Wotja, and I came to a sort of peace with their transition to subscription model, paired with a full annual version with updates for a year.

    The code and algorithms involved/evolved are very impressive. I liked Mixtikl a lot, and I also like Wotja too. It's just that I don't end up using is as much as I thought I would.

    I'll likely just stick with my 2017 full version for as long as it continues to work without updates, then re-evaluate. I think the Intermorphic code for generative music is top notch. But, I also realize the business end of sustaining a niche iOS sound genre likely requires them to get more creative with their revenue model. I'm mostly ok with the path they've chosen.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    I was sent a cringing developer response, trying to justify their abandonment of apps, subscription, etc.

    As with all developers, I respect their right to do whatever they want with their apps. But it’s my choice whether to go along, and I don’t trust them.

    Sure, no problem with that. Not sure it's entirely fair to call taking the trouble to explain their decision cringing; I thought the statement on forum and blog was well-reasoned, and the merging of apps has indeed done wonders for the pace of development. I suspect the old standalone apps weren't shifting many new copies, which is why the move towards Wotja as the wrapper for Mixtikl as a wrapper for Noatikl as a wrapper for the full awesomeness of the actual engines.

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