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Possibly a stupid question (and certainly an ignorant one)

I have both BeatHawk and Beatmaker 3.
I do not know how to use either one. I have never used a DAW. I have been using BeatHawk as a library of samples, and I just look at Beatmaker 3 and go, "It looks really neat and I have heard it is really powerful!"
Should I first go ahead and learn how to correctly use BeatHawk in order to cut my DAW teeth before trying to muddle my way through BM 3?
Thanks.

Comments

  • Honestly Beathawk is a lot of fun to use and if you’re new to all of this it always helps to use things which will give you the quickest results. Once you’ve become comfortable with BeatHawk and the concept of song construction and midi sequencing you can progress to BeatMaker3.

    Honestly both are fairly straightforward once you “get it”...things are just in different places and the workflow is unique to the app.

  • Hey. I'm stupid AND I'm ignorant. Must be the perfect person to bat this one back over the fence! :)

    I'm not at all sure that learning one will materially help with learning the other. Certain precepts maybe, but BH is not a learner version of BM. Actually BH isn't all that intuitive to start with (well, it wasn't for me; stupid and ignorant) however, I think I could show you most of it in about 20 minutes. It's just a little quirky where the browser is, the two fingered touch required in places etc., BUT it's a great writer and a great song-putter-togetherer and some of the sounds are just lovely.

    BM is another whole bag of shemozzle. It's really very impressive and I'm going to nightschool (literally, half an hour or so every night, dogging through tuts) and it's like a space vehicle and I admire its many rooms, but sometimes I just want to cycle down to the store and get me some kool aid and when I want to do that BH is a better bunny. And then:

    Cubasis.
    etc. etc. etc.

    Auria.
    etc. etc. etc.

    Depp breath (hold it): NS2

    Oh. And Modstep.

    Life. Aint it grand.

  • Sounds reasonable to me, Jeff. If you've been using other apps all this time, it shouldn't take you too long to get up to speed with BeatHawk 2. The manual is pretty good.

    If you ultimately want to end up in BM3, there are more (and better) learning resources available than BeatHawk 2.

  • Here's the BeatHawk manual, if you don't already have it.
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/uvi/BeatHawk/beathawk_manual.pdf

  • @echoopera said:
    Honestly Beathawk is a lot of fun to use and if you’re new to all of this it always helps to use things which will give you the quickest results. Once you’ve become comfortable with BeatHawk and the concept of song construction and midi sequencing you can progress to BeatMaker3.

    Honestly both are fairly straightforward once you “get it”...things are just in different places and the workflow is unique to the app.

    Thanks. And thanks again.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Hey. I'm stupid AND I'm ignorant. Must be the perfect person to bat this one back over the fence! :)

    I'm not at all sure that learning one will materially help with learning the other. Certain precepts maybe, but BH is not a learner version of BM. Actually BH isn't all that intuitive to start with (well, it wasn't for me; stupid and ignorant) however, I think I could show you most of it in about 20 minutes. It's just a little quirky where the browser is, the two fingered touch required in places etc., BUT it's a great writer and a great song-putter-togetherer and some of the sounds are just lovely.

    BM is another whole bag of shemozzle. It's really very impressive and I'm going to nightschool (literally, half an hour or so every night, dogging through tuts) and it's like a space vehicle and I admire its many rooms, but sometimes I just want to cycle down to the store and get me some kool aid and when I want to do that BH is a better bunny. And then:

    Cubasis.
    etc. etc. etc.

    Auria.
    etc. etc. etc.

    Depp breath (hold it): NS2

    Oh. And Modstep.

    Life. Aint it grand.

    Thanks, JG. BeatHawk for immediacy it is.

  • edited January 2018

    @telecharge said:
    Here's the BeatHawk manual, if you don't already have it.
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/uvi/BeatHawk/beathawk_manual.pdf

    Thanks. That should help a great deal.

  • Best thing is to just dive in to the one you most desire to master. Read the manual right though then just try and make some music by combination of trial/error, rereading relevant bit of manual and watching video tutorials. As mentioned there are more video tutorials for BM3

  • edited January 2018

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Best thing is to just dive in to the one you most desire to master. Read the manual right though then just try and make some music by combination of trial/error, rereading relevant bit of manual and watching video tutorials. As mentioned there are more video tutorials for BM3

    I’m no fan of manuals; I often find them confusing and sometimes just plain inarticulate (not the devs fault, they’re creators of apps, not literature). I prefer to just dive right in. If I get stuck I find it easier to get help on YouTube or whatever. Once I see someone do what I’m trying to do, I’m off and running.

  • @Beathoven said:

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Best thing is to just dive in to the one you most desire to master. Read the manual right though then just try and make some music by combination of trial/error, rereading relevant bit of manual and watching video tutorials. As mentioned there are more video tutorials for BM3

    I’m no fan of manuals; I often find them confusing and sometimes just plain inarticulate (not the devs fault, they’re creators of apps, not literature). I prefer to just dive right in. If I get stuck I find it easier to get help on YouTube or whatever. Once I see someone do what I’m trying to do, I’m off and running.

    Trial and error is ok for majority of apps but more complex ones like Auria Pro or BM3 skim reading the manual is going to save a bunch of time and frustration

  • @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Beathoven said:

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Best thing is to just dive in to the one you most desire to master. Read the manual right though then just try and make some music by combination of trial/error, rereading relevant bit of manual and watching video tutorials. As mentioned there are more video tutorials for BM3

    I’m no fan of manuals; I often find them confusing and sometimes just plain inarticulate (not the devs fault, they’re creators of apps, not literature). I prefer to just dive right in. If I get stuck I find it easier to get help on YouTube or whatever. Once I see someone do what I’m trying to do, I’m off and running.

    Trial and error is ok for majority of apps but more complex ones like Auria Pro or BM3 skim reading the manual is going to save a bunch of time and frustration

    Reading a whole manual before I’m really familiar with a complex app doesn’t work for me. I struggle to retain the information. Most processes are logical, even in the most complex apps. When I’m struggling, I like to see it done, rather than read about it. YouTube is great for that. I guess it depends what type of learner you are.

  • You also can use Beathawk inside of BM3

  • Beathawk is basically geared towards using the included and IAP sample libraries. Think Sampletank with access to the samples.

    BM3 is much better suited to using your own samples, and messing with them to create something new.

    If you want a bit of sampled electric piano in your track, use Beathawk. If you want to take a vocal sample and make something weird with it use BM3.

  • @YZJustDatGuy said:
    You also can use Beathawk inside of BM3

    Aaah...
    Thanks

  • @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Best thing is to just dive in to the one you most desire to master. Read the manual right though then just try and make some music by combination of trial/error, rereading relevant bit of manual and watching video tutorials. As mentioned there are more video tutorials for BM3

    Good advice.
    Thanks

  • @richardyot said:
    Beathawk is basically geared towards using the included and IAP sample libraries. Think Sampletank with access to the samples.

    BM3 is much better suited to using your own samples, and messing with them to create something new.

    If you want a bit of sampled electric piano in your track, use Beathawk. If you want to take a vocal sample and make something weird with it use BM3.

    Good distinction, richardy
    Thanks

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