Bm3

jdolecek70

I'm going to buy beatmaker......is bm3 really worth the extra money opposed to bm2? I have googled and searched the forum but I can't find the differences......after spending a ton of money on gear and apps I'm running out of money so checking to see if I can be happy and still save some cash

AudioGus

BM3 is awesome.

I had BM2 but never got into it.

jdolecek70

Dang and I have spent so much money all I have is $10 left lol

jwmmakerofmusic

BM3 is worth it. Unfortunately (correct me if I’m wrong), it still looks as though MIDI out hasn’t been implemented in BM3. That’s a drawback. However, you can’t find a sample-based workflow on iOS that’s better than BM3, and it is perfect for hip-hop production.

jdolecek70

So in other wards you cant use a midi controller with beatmaker?

Strizbiz

@jdolecek70 said:
So in other wards you cant use a midi controller with beatmaker?

Yes, you can use a midi controller, but sending midi out to hardware isnt as simple as it is in BM2, in BM2, you could use a blank preset, in BM3 you have to have a sample loaded, then turn down the sample or use other workarounds , or you wont be able to assign midi out from a bank, I just use a blank sample.

sbcfx

Yes you can

wim

@Strizbiz said:

@jdolecek70 said:
So in other wards you cant use a midi controller with beatmaker?

Yes, you can use a midi controller, but sending midi out to hardware isnt as simple as it is in BM2, in BM2, you could use a blank preset, in BM3 you have to have a sample loaded, then turn down the sample or use other workarounds , or you wont be able to assign midi out from a bank, I just use a blank sample.

It is kind of odd that they haven’t addressed that one yet. It seems like such an easy one compared to the rest that they’ve accomplished. I scratch my head over stuff like that. But, it’s their baby so I don’t presume to second guess.

At least the workaround isn’t really all that bad when it comes down to it.

AudioGus

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
BM3 is worth it. Unfortunately (correct me if I’m wrong), it still looks as though MIDI out hasn’t been implemented in BM3. That’s a drawback. However, you can’t find a sample-based workflow on iOS that’s better than BM3, and it is perfect for hip-hop production.

MIDI out works great.

wim

It’s not that it doesn’t work, but that a pad can’t be set to send midi out unless it has a sample or plugin loaded on it. A minor annoyance, but seems like it would be so simple to fix.

jdolecek70

I'm totally confused.....what I want to do is lay down some tracks using my synth apps and my midi controller inside of a daw and have the ability to edit notes to correct any mistakes I may have made so which daw would be best for this Auria, cubasis or beatmaker?

wim

@jdolecek70 said:
I'm totally confused.....what I want to do is lay down some tracks using my synth apps and my midi controller inside of a daw and have the ability to edit notes to correct any mistakes I may have made so which daw would be best for this Auria, cubasis or beatmaker?

They all can do this. Cubasis is probably the easiest to learn.

stormywaterz

All three do great but it’s up to your personal preference. Me I do bm3 out the three. The others just don’t do it for me. My opinion. Just have to try them out and see. Recommend watching YouTube for some tutorials

dendy

i used BM2 a lot, but completely dislike BM3... BM3 is very different, and in my case this difference s in bad way...

my workflow was recording various phrases from IAA synths and hardware synths to audio tracks, then cut them, rearrange, apply build in FXs, automations..

in BM2 everything i needed was pretty straightforward, in BM3 is it waasy much more complicated and some features (for me crucial features) from BM2 were dropped completely

Generally people who like BM3 like it mosty because of akai-mpc/sampling paradigm introduced in BM3, it is so called "pad-centric' - everything is build around pads and banks of pads, whole app was moved a lot from traditional linear DAW approach more to something like sampling groovebox WITH some DAW functionalities .. Lot aspects of BM2 are obviously strongly inspired by NI iMachine 2 ..

Althrough dev after very controverse reactions on first release is trying to make updates which will move BM3 a bit back to traditional DAW approach, still the core app structure is simple a bit different .. so if you used to use very traditional DAW's, there is high risk you will not like BM3 and BM2 will works lot better for you .. (but BM2 doesn't support AUv3, so in case you want use AUv2, BM2 is out of options)

There is another option to consider - wait month max. two - then there will be Nanostudio 2 released, which looks to be ultimate classic DAW with super intuitive sequencer (many people agree that in terms of intuitiveness, nanostudio 1 sequencer is still unbeated by any other current DAW)
( some previews screenshots are here: http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/11615 )

jdolecek70

Which of the 3 allow you to loop the best and synth your loops best, that's my style since I produce trance

wim

BM3 is my preference too. It seems like a steeper learning curve for someone just getting into it to me though.

BTW @jdolecek70 GarageBand can do this too. For free.

stormywaterz

@dendy said:
i used BM2 a lot, but completely dislike BM3... BM3 is very different, and in my case this difference s in bad way... tr

my workflow was recording IAA synths and hardware synths to audio tracks, then cut them, rearrange, apply build in FXs, automations..

in BM2 everything i needed was pretty straightforward, in BM3 is it waasy much more complicated and some features (dor me key ones) from BM2 were dropped

Generally people who like BM3 like it mosty because of akai-mpc/sampling paradigm introduced in BM3, it is so called "pad-centric' - everything is build around pads and banks of pads, whole pad moved a lot from traditional linear DAW approach more to something like sampling groovebox WITH some DAW functionalities ..

Althrough dev after very controverse reactions on first release is trying to make updates which will move BM3 a bit back to traditional DAW approach, still the core app structure is simple a bit different .. so if you used to use very traditional DAW's, there is high risk you will not like BM3 and BM2 will works lot better for you .. (but BM2 doesn't support AUv3, so in case you want use AUv2, BM2 is out of options)

There is another option to consider - wait month max. two - then there will be Nanostudio 2 released, which looks to be ultimate classic DAW with super intuitive sequencer (many people agree that in terms of intuitiveness, nanostudio 1 sequencer is still unbeated by any other current DAW)
( some previews screenshots are here: http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/11615 )

if bm2 got au function I woulda be so happy. Bm2 is just some right besides files but I got over that. A simple au function in bm2 would go a long way. But that would detract from bm3.

jdolecek70

Let me explain my workflow.....I have thousands of drum loops I have written over the years that use for my songs, I write and layer synths and fix type sounds, so I loop and layer and in the past I used ableton to synchronize everything in time all done with ableton and then add vsts effects during mixdown....I do have Auria and I don't know if I do it wrong but seems copy and pasting is how I have tried to make loops with t in the past, would cubasis or beatmaker be easier and if so which one

ToMess

@jdolecek70 said:
Let me explain my workflow.....I have thousands of drum loops I have written over the years that use for my songs, I write and layer synths and fix type sounds, so I loop and layer and in the past I used ableton to synchronize everything in time all done with ableton and then add vsts effects during mixdown....I do have Auria and I don't know if I do it wrong but seems copy and pasting is how I have tried to make loops with t in the past, would cubasis or beatmaker be easier and if so which one

Bm3 has similar playback mode to abletons session view(and also similar to its timeline view), so that might be one reason to get it. Personally i never got bm2, but think bm3 is the single best thing on ios, for me at least. Just lack of AU in bm2 is enough for me to not even consider it over bm3.

lovadamusic

I’ve used (use) Auria, Cubasis, and BM3. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and really depend on your music and workflow(s). I think the best thing you can do is watch a bunch a YouTube videos for every DAW you’re considering, and see for yourself which fits you best. Auria and Cubasis are traditional DAWs with linear tracks and not really designed for loop-based music. I don’t know much about Ableton, so maybe your question should be, what iOS DAW comes closest to that.

dendy

I don’t know much about Ableton, so maybe your question should be, what iOS DAW comes closest to that.

closest to Ableton is Modstep but till yet it haven't audio tracks support (althougt Modstep 2 will have audio tracks, but releae date is not known yet, probably later this year)

as far as i know, BM3 doesn't have automatic tempo sync for audio in audio tracks, just for audio loaded into sampler, but somebody with deeper BM3 knowledge should correct me if i'm wrong ..

mschenkel.it

@dendy said:

I don’t know much about Ableton, so maybe your question should be, what iOS DAW comes closest to that.

closest to Ableton is Modstep but till yet it haven't audio tracks support (althougt Modstep 2 will have audio tracks, but releae date is not known yet, probably later this year)

as far as i know, BM3 doesn't have automatic tempo sync for audio in audio tracks, just for audio loaded into sampler, but somebody with deeper BM3 knowledge should correct me if i'm wrong ..

Correcting you. It is pretty much you can do on the fly with audio tracks: set original tempo, live sync, done.

dendy

@mschenkel.it

thanks for info ... just curious, this was there from 3.0.0 version or it was added later ?

mschenkel.it

@dendy said:
@mschenkel.it

thanks for info ... just curious, this was there from 3.0.0 version or it was added later ?

I dunno but it was there since the first time I needed it.

GovernorSilver

@jdolecek70 said:
Let me explain my workflow.....I have thousands of drum loops I have written over the years that use for my songs, I write and layer synths and fix type sounds, so I loop and layer and in the past I used ableton to synchronize everything in time all done with ableton and then add vsts effects during mixdown....I do have Auria and I don't know if I do it wrong but seems copy and pasting is how I have tried to make loops with t in the past, would cubasis or beatmaker be easier and if so which one

Hmm... Cubasis is an ok DAW but I found bug(s) while doing copy-and-paste of a 2-bar MIDI drum pattern. Copy-and-paste of a 2-bar MIDI bass line was fine because I recorded it in realtime in one pass (after several rounds of practicing). The drum part though was recorded in 3 passes because I have next to zero drumming skills. Cubasis had a tendency to only paste, say, the hi-hat part of my drum pattern, and not paste the bass and snare.

In short, Cubasis will not be an improvement for you, over Auria, when it comes to copy-and-paste. BM3 might be a better bet for making one drum loop then reusing it throughout the song. Korg Gadget is more straightforward than any of the other three for building a drum sequence, though there's no "pad" you can hit to trigger the entire drum loop.

Strizbiz

@jdolecek70 said:
Let me explain my workflow.....I have thousands of drum loops I have written over the years that use for my songs, I write and layer synths and fix type sounds, so I loop and layer and in the past I used ableton to synchronize everything in time all done with ableton and then add vsts effects during mixdown....I do have Auria and I don't know if I do it wrong but seems copy and pasting is how I have tried to make loops with t in the past, would cubasis or beatmaker be easier and if so which one

Cubasis would be easier, but BM3 is a powerhouse once you learn it.

AudioGus

@dendy said:
i used BM2 a lot, but completely dislike BM3... BM3 is very different, and in my case this difference s in bad way...

my workflow was recording various phrases from IAA synths and hardware synths to audio tracks, then cut them, rearrange, apply build in FXs, automations..

in BM2 everything i needed was pretty straightforward, in BM3 is it waasy much more complicated and some features (for me crucial features) from BM2 were dropped completely

Generally people who like BM3 like it mosty because of akai-mpc/sampling paradigm introduced in BM3, it is so called "pad-centric' - everything is build around pads and banks of pads, whole app was moved a lot from traditional linear DAW approach more to something like sampling groovebox WITH some DAW functionalities .. Lot aspects of BM2 are obviously strongly inspired by NI iMachine 2 ..

Althrough dev after very controverse reactions on first release is trying to make updates which will move BM3 a bit back to traditional DAW approach, still the core app structure is simple a bit different .. so if you used to use very traditional DAW's, there is high risk you will not like BM3 and BM2 will works lot better for you .. (but BM2 doesn't support AUv3, so in case you want use AUv2, BM2 is out of options)

There is another option to consider - wait month max. two - then there will be Nanostudio 2 released, which looks to be ultimate classic DAW with super intuitive sequencer (many people agree that in terms of intuitiveness, nanostudio 1 sequencer is still unbeated by any other current DAW)
( some previews screenshots are here: http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/11615 )

I came from the traditional linear DAW world which I liked a lot. Before that however (20+ years ago) I was into trackers. BM3 has the feel of the best of those two worlds for me.