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Lost in a world between sequencer apps

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  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Don't get too hung up on making the hipster masterpiece. Just teach the boys to fish etc.

    Yes, I've sworn to myself that I'll now record every "noodling around" session on the sofa and put it up on YouTube. :)

    @Mayo said:
    I was thinking of possibly live processing midi into Modstep (in sync)- and recording the midi directly into Xequence.
    One midi track is fine - it can be split up into separate midi channels later.

    Note that Xequence merges the MIDI input from all sources and channels onto a single track, it is not possible to split them by channel later. Multitrack MIDI recording is on our list, but I can't say if it will arrive shortly.

  • edited January 2018

    @SevenSystems - it is very easy to split notes into channels later on Reaper :)
    The killer thing about Reaper is all of these freaks writing incredible scripts for midi.
    Its similar to the IOS world

  • @SevenSystems your doing great and I love this app. I have 100 unfinished songs or loops/riffs and hopefully this will allow me to finish some.

    Sorry can’t find this. Is there a way to remote trigger or midi control the transport in Xequence? Would love to have AUM and hit a control or something that would start playback in Xequence. I know I can loop it but sometimes it’s nice to stop and start.... does this make sense?

  • edited January 2018

    @Chaztrip sorry, there's currently no way to control Xequence's transport externally, as it is really meant to be the "master" app (talk about "software arrogance") in a setup. It's however possible to control OTHER apps' transport from Xequence if the other app supports MIDI Sync (clock / start / stop / spp). Unfortunately, AUM doesn't -- but you can still control AUM's transport with MIDI notes or controllers from Xequence, so by setting up AUM as an instrument in Xequence, and then MIDI learning a keyboard key, you could start/stop/whatever from Xequence by tapping keys on its keyboard. Not sure if this is too helpful in your case though.

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  • edited January 2018

    @tja said:
    Without multitrack MIDI recording, Xequence cannot be the heir / inheritor of Cubasis and modstep.

    Wondering if this can't be done with MIDI files?

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  • edited January 2018

    @tja: No, I mean, I'm trying to understand what you would like to do. From what I see, you would like to get data (notes, etc.) on multiple tracks from one app into the other (ModStep -> Xequence)? If so, can ModStep export MIDI files? Then you would be able to import them into Xequence, and of course preserve the separate tracks.

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  • @tja that's brilliant ;) but what exactly is it that you're missing... if it is "recording multiple MIDI sources at once onto separate tracks", then you're right, this currently can't be done... but you should be able to do this using MIDI file import/export, i.e., it isn't something that necessarily has to be done "live"?

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    We'd love to do more videos. However, doing professional video production is much more time-consuming and/or expensive than writing a manual or putting some hints in the code, so this has to take a backseat until Xequence is featured on the App Store and we're rich ;) (I perfectly understand the desire to have more videos though).

    Don't get too hung up on making the hipster masterpiece. Just teach the boys to fish etc.

    +1 for respecting the time commitment involved with making good videos. Judging by Xequence, you're not the type who is ok to push out crap.

    Still, want to +1 JGY here. The prospect of 'A video tutorial for Xequence' has got to be a crushing one as big as it is. Instead, maybe consider making 30-60 second videos that each cover a single thing. Opening files. Editing notes. Scale modes. Connecting to AUM. Then you can just whip them out as time allows. Two second bumper for the in and out (low note and a slow zoom screenshot orta do it). If you get enough of them, put them in an ordered playlist.

  • I’m still not sure what he’s wanting to accomplish.

    What is the goal of what you’re doing?

    I see the following:
    . Uses Reaper as a DAW
    . Needs to be 8 hours long
    . Has 160 tracks
    - some audio clips
    - some midi clips
    . Wants to sequence midi from iOS to DAW
    . Wants to control soft synths and hardware synths
    Not sure what is missing from your setup...it sounds like you have everything you need.

    What are you trying to do?

    . Do you want iOS to send different midi clips to Reaper?
    . Do you want iOS to “auto generate” a sequence for you?
    . Do you want iOS to be a keyboard to play from?
    . Do you want to use AudioBus 3 to leverage some of its newer Midi tools?

    Trying to help. <3

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @tja: No, I mean, I'm trying to understand what you would like to do. From what I see, you would like to get data (notes, etc.) on multiple tracks from one app into the other (ModStep -> Xequence)? If so, can ModStep export MIDI files? Then you would be able to import them into Xequence, and of course preserve the separate tracks.

    For me, I want the ability to plug in several MIDI keyboards (or several instances of Rozeta + Quantum, etc) and have the MIDI captured to separate tracks. It's like being able to jam live with a few keyboards/step-sequencers and have it all captured to discreet tracks on a multi-track audio recorder vs having to build everything track by track.

    Wonder if a possible stop gap could be a post-recording utility to split/fan-out a single recording to multiple tracks by MIDI channel?

  • @syrupcore said:
    +1 for respecting the time commitment involved with making good videos. Judging by Xequence, you're not the type who is ok to push out crap.

    Still, want to +1 JGY here. The prospect of 'A video tutorial for Xequence' has got to be a crushing one as big as it is. Instead, maybe consider making 30-60 second videos that each cover a single thing. Opening files. Editing notes. Scale modes. Connecting to AUM.

    Thanks for the kind remark, and yes, regarding videos, that's probably the best idea. I'm quite different to a lot of people in that I'm a very "written" person and learn stuff much better if I can control the pace, and I like symbols better than moving pictures :) so I'm a bad video watcher AND bad video producer! :o

  • edited January 2018

    @syrupcore said:
    For me, I want the ability to plug in several MIDI keyboards (or several instances of Rozeta + Quantum, etc) and have the MIDI captured to separate tracks. It's like being able to jam live with a few keyboards/step-sequencers and have it all captured to discreet tracks on a multi-track audio recorder vs having to build everything track by track.

    Wonder if a possible stop gap could be a post-recording utility to split/fan-out a single recording to multiple tracks by MIDI channel?

    OK, yes I get it now. I would love to say that I'd add multitrack MIDI recording tomorrow, unfortunately it's one of those architectural decisions made early that are hard to revert. Same as with "no slaving to MIDI clock", "no tempo track" etc. - these were decisions to speed up the development process significantly, while sacrificing "fringe features" (no offense intended!) :# You don't develop for a huge audience when making music creation apps for iOS anyway, so you really have to watch your time budget... (and the other budget)

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @syrupcore said:
    +1 for respecting the time commitment involved with making good videos. Judging by Xequence, you're not the type who is ok to push out crap.

    Still, want to +1 JGY here. The prospect of 'A video tutorial for Xequence' has got to be a crushing one as big as it is. Instead, maybe consider making 30-60 second videos that each cover a single thing. Opening files. Editing notes. Scale modes. Connecting to AUM.

    Thanks for the kind remark, and yes, regarding videos, that's probably the best idea. I'm quite different to a lot of people in that I'm a very "written" person and learn stuff much better if I can control the pace, and I like symbols better than moving pictures :) so I'm a bad video watcher AND bad video producer! :o

    I hear you. I'm the same, actually. Indeed, when folks make a 'Video Manual' in place of a written one, I'm all gahhhhhh. Can't search for a string in a video manual! Or look at the app while reading over some bit at your own pace. Or...

    Still, seems like this whole YouTube thing is getting kinda popular. :) Good to be where the customers are at. Plus, videos definitely do at least one thing text+images can not: give you a sense of the 'flow' and 'feel' of an app.

  • @syrupcore said:
    I hear you. I'm the same, actually. Indeed, when folks make a 'Video Manual' in place of a written one, I'm all gahhhhhh. Can't search for a string in a video manual! Or look at the app while reading over some bit at your own pace. Or...

    Haha, this is funny. I'm exactly the same. Every time I search for something on Google and the first umpteen results are from YouTube, I could vomit a stream (German expression)... it's right up there with the "X ways to do Y in Z easy steps" results ;)

    Still, seems like this whole YouTube thing is getting kinda popular. :) Good to be where the customers are at. Plus, videos definitely do at least one thing text+images can not: give you a sense of the 'flow' and 'feel' of an app.

    And yeah, agree -- gotta respect that other people are different, and most people actually prefer watching stuff to get a better sense of it. They're in the majority, so WE are the problem! :o

  • Sounds like a good song title.

  • @Cib: That's actually my band's name ;) (kidding...)

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @syrupcore said:
    For me, I want the ability to plug in several MIDI keyboards (or several instances of Rozeta + Quantum, etc) and have the MIDI captured to separate tracks. It's like being able to jam live with a few keyboards/step-sequencers and have it all captured to discreet tracks on a multi-track audio recorder vs having to build everything track by track.

    Wonder if a possible stop gap could be a post-recording utility to split/fan-out a single recording to multiple tracks by MIDI channel?

    OK, yes I get it now. I would love to say that I'd add multitrack MIDI recording tomorrow, unfortunately it's one of those architectural decisions made early that are hard to revert. Same as with "no slaving to MIDI clock", "no tempo track" etc. - these were decisions to speed up the development process significantly, while sacrificing "fringe features" (no offense intended!) :# You don't develop for a huge audience when making music creation apps for iOS anyway, so you really have to watch your time budget... (and the other budget)

    @SevenSystems Without getting into too much programmy lingo can you briefly explain why I can send different MIDI channels out in Xequence but can’t separate different channels coming in. To my mind it seems pretty straight-forward, but obviously not.

  • @echoopera
    What am I trying to achieve ?
    DAW Interaction with apps via Midi - live (preferably) or via midifile transfer between.
    The IOS world offers creative midi processing that the DAW world lacks - or if it does do it, they are very expensive VST plugs.

    I also REALLY like to be able to get away from my computers and create on IOS - with sample processing and midi manipulation - then bring it back into Reaper sessions.

    It is the more fun creative apps that I really want to play with here, Cells, Patterning, Rozetta, Senode, Gesturment, Fugue Machine, Refractions etc.
    So It makes sense to record my midi stuff into a linear midi sequencer - or really a multitrack.
    Xequence seems perfect because I can work on very long pieces without being chained to my computers

    So how are you live processing midi with Modstep?

  • edited January 2018

    My workflow is a bit different.

    I start with a handful of sequences and build live from that. As of right now i am just doing live sessions with live tweaking and not worrying about capturing Midi data of my performance...just trying to stay in a state of flow and embrace the ephemeral nature of the moment.

    My pieces tend to be in the 5-15minute range and i work from the model of Clips or Scenes since i am familiar with Ableton, Modstep, BeatMaker3 and my newest addition of the octatrack MKII.

    If you are in need of recording longer form Midi input your solutions are Xequence (Midi Only) Beatmaker3, Cubasis, Auria and others which will give you Midi and Audio.

    I would advocate for BeatMaker3 since it allows you to work in a Linear or Non Linear fashion and has a great built in Sampler and sequencer.

    Hope that helps.

    Modstep is great but it will probably be a limitation to you since it won’t record Midi In indefinitely. It’s limited to 16 tracks of 16 steps per clip.

  • edited January 2018

    "no slaving to MIDI clock", "no tempo track" etc.

    So I'm wondering how other apps can interact with Xequencer?
    No tempo track means I can't sync any other midi apps to it?
    Can it output Midi clock / Midi timecode - does it work with link?

  • @noisefan said:
    @SevenSystems Without getting into too much programmy lingo can you briefly explain why I can send different MIDI channels out in Xequence but can’t separate different channels coming in. To my mind it seems pretty straight-forward, but obviously not.

    It's a bit hard to explain without getting into programmy details ;) but it's really the same as with most things in life: INPUT is always harder than OUTPUT :) think about it: Talking is easier than listening (almost perfect speech synthesis has been around for decades; speech RECOGNITION is only recently even beginning to be useful). Writing is easier than reading. Building a radio transmitter is much easier than building a receiver. Etc... it's the same with software. In addition, in Xequence, the MIDI In was primarily designed to allow for use of external controllers, not for recording from multiple automated sources. But I agree it would be useful.

    @Mayo: "No tempo track" only means that the song tempo can't change during the song. It's fixed for the entire song. You can sync other apps to Xequence accurately as it can output MIDI clock (along with Start / Stop / Continue / SPP), and you can sync in both ways using Ableton Link.

  • Awesome :)

  • edited January 2018

    Popping in to say two things.

    First, thank you for clarifying the transport issues, @SevenSystems . I started this thread earlier but hadn't received a response, but I knew couldn't be the only one trying to use these apps together!

    I was looking to do something similar to some of the users on this thread -- record multiple streams from Rozeta hosted in AUM into Xequence with the intention of editing and cutting/pasting later (although maybe that last part is just me). Xequence is brilliant, but it is not ideal for this type of method as it has a few design quirks, among them the inability to record to different tracks simultaneously. After some brief experiments this weekend (hey, you try being pregnant with a 21 month old) it seems the best way to accomplish something similar is to have everything recorded into one track and then separate it out using a copy, paste and delete method. I was able to successfully record Rozeta Bassline and LFOs (all three MIDI CCs) simultaneously into one Part then copy, paste and delete the Notes into a separate Part and the CCs into another. Works, but not ideal.

    And for people short on time, recording into one app and then porting to another is time consuming, and, with all due respect, a bit silly. No more (iOS) workarounds. Let's encourage things being done right from the start.

    What's odd, and this is thing No. 2, is that it seems like you have to identify the MIDI CCs you are going to be recording into Xequence prior to sending them for the app to record them. I believe that is the behavior I observed but I will be totally embarrassed if I'm misremembering. (In which case please correct me and I will correct this post tout de suite (sorry, couldn't find a German equivalent)).

    OK, a third: producing videos in lieu of, or at the expense of, (well) written documentation is an abysmal substitution that will hopefully die a thousand fiery deaths before long. Write the documentation then make videos if you want. Videos are not efficient reference documents.

    Oh, and hello, @SevenSystems . We've corresponded via email. :)

  • @papertiger said:

    Good (entertaining) post.

    OK, a third: producing videos in lieu of, or at the expense of, (well) written documentation is an abysmal substitution that will hopefully die a thousand fiery deaths before long. Write the documentation then make videos if you want. Videos are not efficient reference documents.

    This though, fiery deaths or otherwise, is just toast :)

  • edited January 2018

    What about Xequence as an AU. Heheheh

  • edited January 2018

    My best work around method for this project seems to be:
    Mainly use majority of audio samples and instruments on Reaper. (Kontakt VSTi's etc)
    Send live midi data to DAW from Xequencer/Rozetta/Senode etc until idea is fleshed out.
    Then export midi files into Reaper from Xequencer.
    This way I can use all of the great IOS midi apps, plus I can also record AUM audio if I find IOS sounds that I really like (EG: PPG Infinate)
    AUM recorded audio files should also line up with the midi files when time aligned in DAW

    Syncing seems to be to way too unpredictable so far :s

  • edited January 2018

    Can you use the free version of Ableton Lite with he VSTs you already own that way you can just Link everything together and play from iPad and Ableton at same time in sync.

    If you own Gadget you get a free copy.

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