Are you planning to avoid iOS 11.2.2 ?

LucidMusicInc

@AnimalHeadSpirit said:
OT: Speaking of upgrades, I finally abandoned my long lived & stable Win 7 install, for Windows 10 on my desktop ..Put it off ‘till the last minute , as it appears Microsoft is planning to shut down the free upgrade paths soon .. no regrets though , it seems snappier than 7 on my 3770k quad. Reason 10 seems rock solid stable on it as well.

Win 10 is a very different OS today than it was 1 year ago shortly after it released. It still craps out with a lengthy and uninvited update from time to time but it's now very fluid and stable, and loads in a reasonable amount of time. Your patience paid off.

AnimalHeadSpirit

@LucidMusicInc said:

@AnimalHeadSpirit said:
OT: Speaking of upgrades, I finally abandoned my long lived & stable Win 7 install, for Windows 10 on my desktop ..Put it off ‘till the last minute , as it appears Microsoft is planning to shut down the free upgrade paths soon .. no regrets though , it seems snappier than 7 on my 3770k quad. Reason 10 seems rock solid stable on it as well.

Win 10 is a very different OS today than it was 1 year ago shortly after it released. It still craps out with a lengthy and uninvited update from time to time but it's now very fluid and stable, and loads in a reasonable amount of time. Your patience paid off.

Indeed! I tried it a little over a year ago, around the time they started offering free upgrades. Put up with it for a day or two max, before going back to 7 ...it looked like it had a lot of potential, but felt like an incomplete beta to me at the time.

Aside from the lame forced-updates, I’m quite pleased with everything. The OS really does feel like quite the advancement — closer to the elegant and snappy environment on my MacBP .. Handles 4K res. a lot better than 7, & almost feels like a new computer

Looping_Loddar

No slowdown. Just improves (mainly) Safari sandboxing. Doesn't solve all of the security risks.

dendy

just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

The one for which was mentioned risk that fix can possibly take down performance is Meltdown.

iOS 11.2.2 Fixes Spectre. For Spectre fixes aren't mentioned any slow-down issues.

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

supadom

@dendy said:
just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

The one for which was mentioned risk that fix can possibly take down performance is Meltdown.

iOS 11.2.2 Fixes Spectre. For Spectre fixes aren't mentioned any slow-down issues.

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

To be honest I think this is a Minority Report Fan Club generated conspiracy. It’s gone viral but not infectious. I’m just going to bury my head in the sand and hope my butt’s gonna be alright.

dendy

@supadom

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

Yes :-))) IF there is any slowdown at all.. if you lok st historic bencharks of, fir example iPhone 6 CPU since it was released, it loiks there is no slowdow at all ..

Slowdown at least on iOS is hoax.. on other side Meltdown is serious issue where attacker just using javascript code on website can inject malicious code to your iDevice, which is seriously pretty damn good reason to update

wim

The past week or so I’ve been alarmed over my Air 2 running noticeably warm even while idle, and draining battery fast. Clearing memory, hard and soft boot, nothing was making it better. Last night I applied 11.2.2 and now everything is back to normal. No more noticeable heat, and battery drain is less than half of what it was before.

I don’t believe for a second that the update was the cure, but something about the update process itself finally killed whatever runaway app I had going on.

So at least here’s the update is a success.

dendy

@wim

Maybe you was hacked and some evil h4xx0r was running cryptocurrency mining on your ipad )

[Deleted User]

@wim said:
The past week or so I’ve been alarmed over my Air 2 running noticeably warm even while idle, and draining battery fast. Clearing memory, hard and soft boot, nothing was making it better. Last night I applied 11.2.2 and now everything is back to normal. No more noticeable heat, and battery drain is less than half of what it was before.

I don’t believe for a second that the update was the cure, but something about the update process itself finally killed whatever runaway app I had going on.

So at least here’s the update is a success.

Ive been having the heat thing too, still there after the update unfortunately.

Lady_App_titude

@supadom said:

@dendy said:
just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

[...]

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

I have noticed that Hey Siri is significantly slower since I updated to iOS 11 — to the point where if I say “Hey Siri, what’s the temperature?” the delay is so long that I will often have to say it again, to which Siri will respond “I can only give you one weather at a time.”

That is the main slowdown I’ve seen on iOS 11. At least, I can now see a plausible explanation, if security is the cause.

brambos

@Lady_App_titude said:

@supadom said:

@dendy said:
just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

[...]

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

I have noticed that Hey Siri is significantly slower since I updated to iOS 11 — to the point where if I say “Hey Siri, what’s the temperature?” the delay is so long that I will often have to say it again, to which Siri will respond “I can only give you one weather at a time.”

That is the main slowdown I’ve seen on iOS 11. At least, I can now see a plausible explanation, if security is the cause.

But if I remember correctly, all Siri commands are processed remotely (on Apple's servers), and not on the device itself, right?

mrcanister

@brambos
have you had a look at geekbench tests from the middle of last year for an air 2?
seems to be a notable difference in scores from the one you posted. who knows why?
not that it matters, academic really. i'm happy to be able to do what i do

dendy

@brambos

But if I remember correctly, all Siri commands are processed remotely (on Apple's servers), and not on the device itself, right?

Yeah :-) Still not enough onboard power for Siri's AI .. we need wait 15yrs from now to have fully functional universal AI comparable to human brain running on our phones :-))

AnimalHeadSpirit

@dendy said:
@brambos

But if I remember correctly, all Siri commands are processed remotely (on Apple's servers), and not on the device itself, right?

Yeah :-) Still not enough onboard power for Siri's AI .. we need wait 15yrs from now to have fully functional universal AI comparable to human brain running on our phones :-))

Probably more than 15 years, but by then, we’ll be the relatively low-functioning “assistant” to the greater intellect of our global AI master. They’ll have a running in-joke about how pathetically slow and inefficient we are, compared to the superior hive-mind of the collective.

wim

@brambos said:

@Lady_App_titude said:

@supadom said:

@dendy said:
just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

[...]

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

I have noticed that Hey Siri is significantly slower since I updated to iOS 11 — to the point where if I say “Hey Siri, what’s the temperature?” the delay is so long that I will often have to say it again, to which Siri will respond “I can only give you one weather at a time.”

That is the main slowdown I’ve seen on iOS 11. At least, I can now see a plausible explanation, if security is the cause.

But if I remember correctly, all Siri commands are processed remotely (on Apple's servers), and not on the device itself, right?

That’s my understanding too. I think it’s more that Apple have scaled back, or failed to keep up with growth, or added so much bloat to their backend processing power that performance has suffered in more than one area ... the App Store being the most noticeable example.

wim

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:
The past week or so I’ve been alarmed over my Air 2 running noticeably warm even while idle, and draining battery fast. Clearing memory, hard and soft boot, nothing was making it better. Last night I applied 11.2.2 and now everything is back to normal. No more noticeable heat, and battery drain is less than half of what it was before.

I don’t believe for a second that the update was the cure, but something about the update process itself finally killed whatever runaway app I had going on.

So at least here’s the update is a success.

Ive been having the heat thing too, still there after the update unfortunately.

A couple of years ago I traced the same problem back to a runaway loop of some kind with my work email account. Only then it would show up after an upgrade. I regularly needed to remove and re-add that account and it would then clear up. It happened to a few coworkers as well. I’m suspicious that maybe this was the cause again but really can’t say.

Sorry yours hasn’t cleared up. The difference here is like night and day.

Lady_App_titude

@brambos said:

@Lady_App_titude said:

@supadom said:

@dendy said:
just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

[...]

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

I have noticed that Hey Siri is significantly slower since I updated to iOS 11 — to the point where if I say “Hey Siri, what’s the temperature?” the delay is so long that I will often have to say it again, to which Siri will respond “I can only give you one weather at a time.”

That is the main slowdown I’ve seen on iOS 11. At least, I can now see a plausible explanation, if security is the cause.

But if I remember correctly, all Siri commands are processed remotely (on Apple's servers), and not on the device itself, right?

So maybe there is some sort of sensitive information that could be vulnerable in such situations, and the “slow down” we hear about will only apply in certain situations that require some ping to the Internet. When we are doing our audio thing we don’t generally need to go outside “the slab,” as it were — in fact I typically have to turn on “Do No Disturb” when I’m working— so even though “up to 30% slow down” makes for juicy headlines, it most like won’t mean a general drain on CPU, but only certain tasks (like logging in to a website) might take longer.

Bottom line, the only way to be TRULY secure is to never access any network. There is no reason to avoid the update. We need it.

Chaztrip

You all are freaking crazy! I have no need to worry about this as I just recently received an email from the imperial high bank of Nigeria. I have been informed by specialist banking command that I have 20 million in lost funds from my distant relative. They just need my bank information so they can wire me funds. Ima gonna be rich baby.

LOL.

Kühl

@brambos said:

@Lady_App_titude said:

@supadom said:

@dendy said:
just to make things clear

there were two major security issues - Meltdown and Spectre.

[...]

Meltdown (that critic "possible slowdown" fix) was already part of iOS 11.2.1

@brambos any chance you did benchmarks before 11.2.1 ?

So basically the slowdown has been with us for a while.

I have noticed that Hey Siri is significantly slower since I updated to iOS 11 — to the point where if I say “Hey Siri, what’s the temperature?” the delay is so long that I will often have to say it again, to which Siri will respond “I can only give you one weather at a time.”

That is the main slowdown I’ve seen on iOS 11. At least, I can now see a plausible explanation, if security is the cause.

But if I remember correctly, all Siri commands are processed remotely (on Apple's servers), and not on the device itself, right?

Siri is now changed. You don’t have to say things in 2 sentences, Like “hey Siri” and wait for the pling to give the next command. You must now give Siri a whole sentence. “Hey Siri, put on some Mozart for me” that will work.

wim

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:
The past week or so I’ve been alarmed over my Air 2 running noticeably warm even while idle, and draining battery fast. Clearing memory, hard and soft boot, nothing was making it better. Last night I applied 11.2.2 and now everything is back to normal. No more noticeable heat, and battery drain is less than half of what it was before.

I don’t believe for a second that the update was the cure, but something about the update process itself finally killed whatever runaway app I had going on.

So at least here’s the update is a success.

Ive been having the heat thing too, still there after the update unfortunately.

A couple of years ago I traced the same problem back to a runaway loop of some kind with my work email account. Only then it would show up after an upgrade. I regularly needed to remove and re-add that account and it would then clear up. It happened to a few coworkers as well. I’m suspicious that maybe this was the cause again but really can’t say.

Sorry yours hasn’t cleared up. The difference here is like night and day.

One more stray thought. My wife's iPhone became virtually unresponsive at some point. I finally traced it down to her more than 700mb text message storage. When I cleared that out everything returned to normal.

The moral of the story is, if the thing is acting weird, it can be something lurking in odd places you might not suspect. It might not be (and probably isn't in my opinion) hardware related.

[Deleted User]

@wim said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:
The past week or so I’ve been alarmed over my Air 2 running noticeably warm even while idle, and draining battery fast. Clearing memory, hard and soft boot, nothing was making it better. Last night I applied 11.2.2 and now everything is back to normal. No more noticeable heat, and battery drain is less than half of what it was before.

I don’t believe for a second that the update was the cure, but something about the update process itself finally killed whatever runaway app I had going on.

So at least here’s the update is a success.

Ive been having the heat thing too, still there after the update unfortunately.

A couple of years ago I traced the same problem back to a runaway loop of some kind with my work email account. Only then it would show up after an upgrade. I regularly needed to remove and re-add that account and it would then clear up. It happened to a few coworkers as well. I’m suspicious that maybe this was the cause again but really can’t say.

Sorry yours hasn’t cleared up. The difference here is like night and day.

One more stray thought. My wife's iPhone became virtually unresponsive at some point. I finally traced it down to her more than 700mb text message storage. When I cleared that out everything returned to normal.

The moral of the story is, if the thing is acting weird, it can be something lurking in odd places you might not suspect. It might not be (and probably isn't in my opinion) hardware related.

Thanks Wim, I’ll see if I can root anything out!