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  • edited January 2018

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I was given a loan of an OP1 yesterday, which fits in quite nicely with my ‘sample a silly noise then muck about with it’ ethos.

    Cor, can’t tell you how many years I have lusted after one of those.

    My occasional Horse Gas musical collaborator bought two for some reason, and has given/long-term loaned one to me...which is a bit weird as I've never expressed an interest. Took a bit of learning, but I'm nearly there now.

    They're very weird things. The sound quality can be a bit underwhelming compared to a lot of iPad synths, but the sampler's good, and rhythm/arp's/drums etc. are great to use.

    When I'm not using it I think to myself 'what a waste of money', 'why don't you just use an iPad it's easier, sounds better' etc. etc. But then I start playing with it and get lost in an hour of fun and noises. I'm guessing once the muscle memory kicks in and I can work the controls without thinking what I'm doing it'll be a proper performance thing. I'm not getting too attached though, just in case he asks for it back.

    Is it worth nearly £800? I wouldn't (couldn't) pay that, if I had that money I'd get a faster iPad. But maybe I'll change my mind after a week of using it. I sampled Synthscaper into it last night, and it sounded lovely.

    I've already recorded some silly loops with it, so I'll put the results up once I've bent them into shape via Launchpad/Blocs.

    That was the thing that surprised when playing the Korg Arp Odyssey in a shop. It was really nice to have a dedicated knob for everything, a really tactile instrument. I can set up mappings for knobs on a midi controller with iPad apps but it's not really the same thing. I have to choose beforehand what I want to map and that takes a bit of the random performance notion out of it.

    Amen to this, I much prefer the hands on, no need for pre planned and mapping approach. I have over the last year got a few hardware synths for that reason and am playing much more freely as a result. I am at the moment considering getting a digital multi-tracker to give me that same thing when recording/mixing...BUT, am conflicted as to whether the editing will be too much of a pain.
    My choices so far are Zoom R24 or new iPad 2017 128GB (to upgrade from my current 16GB Mini 2)......still very much undecided.

    Actually for recording I found that I preferred using the iPad. Had a BR-800 and sold it because it was collecting dust. But the idea of a synth that is properly playable with real time knobs and such is very tempting. Then again there is the Roli Seaboard but I would be back to mapping, decisions, decisions.. :anguished:

    The Launchkey I bought is pretty good. Lots of knobs, and midi learn apps like Zeeon remember the settings so you don’t have to arse about. Doesn’t need external power either.

    Should be working but just had a cracking jam with the OP1 through AUM and iPad fx, accompanied with Rozeta triggered stuff. Lots of fun.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I was given a loan of an OP1 yesterday, which fits in quite nicely with my ‘sample a silly noise then muck about with it’ ethos.

    Cor, can’t tell you how many years I have lusted after one of those.

    My occasional Horse Gas musical collaborator bought two for some reason, and has given/long-term loaned one to me...which is a bit weird as I've never expressed an interest. Took a bit of learning, but I'm nearly there now.

    They're very weird things. The sound quality can be a bit underwhelming compared to a lot of iPad synths, but the sampler's good, and rhythm/arp's/drums etc. are great to use.

    When I'm not using it I think to myself 'what a waste of money', 'why don't you just use an iPad it's easier, sounds better' etc. etc. But then I start playing with it and get lost in an hour of fun and noises. I'm guessing once the muscle memory kicks in and I can work the controls without thinking what I'm doing it'll be a proper performance thing. I'm not getting too attached though, just in case he asks for it back.

    Is it worth nearly £800? I wouldn't (couldn't) pay that, if I had that money I'd get a faster iPad. But maybe I'll change my mind after a week of using it. I sampled Synthscaper into it last night, and it sounded lovely.

    I've already recorded some silly loops with it, so I'll put the results up once I've bent them into shape via Launchpad/Blocs.

    That was the thing that surprised when playing the Korg Arp Odyssey in a shop. It was really nice to have a dedicated knob for everything, a really tactile instrument. I can set up mappings for knobs on a midi controller with iPad apps but it's not really the same thing. I have to choose beforehand what I want to map and that takes a bit of the random performance notion out of it.

    Amen to this, I much prefer the hands on, no need for pre planned and mapping approach. I have over the last year got a few hardware synths for that reason and am playing much more freely as a result. I am at the moment considering getting a digital multi-tracker to give me that same thing when recording/mixing...BUT, am conflicted as to whether the editing will be too much of a pain.
    My choices so far are Zoom R24 or new iPad 2017 128GB (to upgrade from my current 16GB Mini 2)......still very much undecided.

    Actually for recording I found that I preferred using the iPad. Had a BR-800 and sold it because it was collecting dust. But the idea of a synth that is properly playable with real time knobs and such is very tempting. Then again there is the Roli Seaboard but I would be back to mapping, decisions, decisions.. :anguished:

    The Launchkey I bought is pretty good. Lots of knobs, and midi learn apps like Zeeon remember the settings so you don’t have to arse about. Doesn’t need external power either.

    Should be working but just had a cracking jam with the OP1 through AUM and iPad fx, accompanied with Rozeta triggered stuff. Lots of fun.

    Yeah I have one of the older Impulse keyboards with knobs and drum pads etc.. Maybe I should just buckle down and start mapping stuff properly to get some kind of consistency.

    The all-in-one nature of the OP-1 always appealed to me but it's a lot of money and I might not gel with it. Never seen anywhere that stocked them in the uk.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I was given a loan of an OP1 yesterday, which fits in quite nicely with my ‘sample a silly noise then muck about with it’ ethos.

    Cor, can’t tell you how many years I have lusted after one of those.

    My occasional Horse Gas musical collaborator bought two for some reason, and has given/long-term loaned one to me...which is a bit weird as I've never expressed an interest. Took a bit of learning, but I'm nearly there now.

    They're very weird things. The sound quality can be a bit underwhelming compared to a lot of iPad synths, but the sampler's good, and rhythm/arp's/drums etc. are great to use.

    When I'm not using it I think to myself 'what a waste of money', 'why don't you just use an iPad it's easier, sounds better' etc. etc. But then I start playing with it and get lost in an hour of fun and noises. I'm guessing once the muscle memory kicks in and I can work the controls without thinking what I'm doing it'll be a proper performance thing. I'm not getting too attached though, just in case he asks for it back.

    Is it worth nearly £800? I wouldn't (couldn't) pay that, if I had that money I'd get a faster iPad. But maybe I'll change my mind after a week of using it. I sampled Synthscaper into it last night, and it sounded lovely.

    I've already recorded some silly loops with it, so I'll put the results up once I've bent them into shape via Launchpad/Blocs.

    That was the thing that surprised when playing the Korg Arp Odyssey in a shop. It was really nice to have a dedicated knob for everything, a really tactile instrument. I can set up mappings for knobs on a midi controller with iPad apps but it's not really the same thing. I have to choose beforehand what I want to map and that takes a bit of the random performance notion out of it.

    Amen to this, I much prefer the hands on, no need for pre planned and mapping approach. I have over the last year got a few hardware synths for that reason and am playing much more freely as a result. I am at the moment considering getting a digital multi-tracker to give me that same thing when recording/mixing...BUT, am conflicted as to whether the editing will be too much of a pain.
    My choices so far are Zoom R24 or new iPad 2017 128GB (to upgrade from my current 16GB Mini 2)......still very much undecided.

    Actually for recording I found that I preferred using the iPad. Had a BR-800 and sold it because it was collecting dust. But the idea of a synth that is properly playable with real time knobs and such is very tempting. Then again there is the Roli Seaboard but I would be back to mapping, decisions, decisions.. :anguished:

    The Launchkey I bought is pretty good. Lots of knobs, and midi learn apps like Zeeon remember the settings so you don’t have to arse about. Doesn’t need external power either.

    Should be working but just had a cracking jam with the OP1 through AUM and iPad fx, accompanied with Rozeta triggered stuff. Lots of fun.

    Yeah I have one of the older Impulse keyboards with knobs and drum pads etc.. Maybe I should just buckle down and start mapping stuff properly to get some kind of consistency.

    The all-in-one nature of the OP-1 always appealed to me but it's a lot of money and I might not gel with it. Never seen anywhere that stocked them in the uk.

    I've got a Remote 25 that I have had for many years, still going strong and can be programmed onboard so works even when apps don't have midi learn. I have tried to use that and map consistently, i.e Filter cutoff and Res, envelope controls etc always on the same knobs etc...but with different synths having different controls I eventually gave up.

    I am definitely leaning more towards upgrading the iPad for recording, although the draw of the Zoom R24 is that it is 8 channel record, and has onboard FX, and uses SD cards (for expansion).....if I get the iPad I am still stuck with stereo record until i can get a multi IO interface, and a fixed capacity. The R24 would work out cheaper than the ipad let alone an interface too. BUT...visual editing of tracks on the ipad....not having this would be like going back to my old days of 4 track tape...although i look back fondly...it really was a nightmare at times LOL

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I was given a loan of an OP1 yesterday, which fits in quite nicely with my ‘sample a silly noise then muck about with it’ ethos.

    Cor, can’t tell you how many years I have lusted after one of those.

    My occasional Horse Gas musical collaborator bought two for some reason, and has given/long-term loaned one to me...which is a bit weird as I've never expressed an interest. Took a bit of learning, but I'm nearly there now.

    They're very weird things. The sound quality can be a bit underwhelming compared to a lot of iPad synths, but the sampler's good, and rhythm/arp's/drums etc. are great to use.

    When I'm not using it I think to myself 'what a waste of money', 'why don't you just use an iPad it's easier, sounds better' etc. etc. But then I start playing with it and get lost in an hour of fun and noises. I'm guessing once the muscle memory kicks in and I can work the controls without thinking what I'm doing it'll be a proper performance thing. I'm not getting too attached though, just in case he asks for it back.

    Is it worth nearly £800? I wouldn't (couldn't) pay that, if I had that money I'd get a faster iPad. But maybe I'll change my mind after a week of using it. I sampled Synthscaper into it last night, and it sounded lovely.

    I've already recorded some silly loops with it, so I'll put the results up once I've bent them into shape via Launchpad/Blocs.

    That was the thing that surprised when playing the Korg Arp Odyssey in a shop. It was really nice to have a dedicated knob for everything, a really tactile instrument. I can set up mappings for knobs on a midi controller with iPad apps but it's not really the same thing. I have to choose beforehand what I want to map and that takes a bit of the random performance notion out of it.

    Amen to this, I much prefer the hands on, no need for pre planned and mapping approach. I have over the last year got a few hardware synths for that reason and am playing much more freely as a result. I am at the moment considering getting a digital multi-tracker to give me that same thing when recording/mixing...BUT, am conflicted as to whether the editing will be too much of a pain.
    My choices so far are Zoom R24 or new iPad 2017 128GB (to upgrade from my current 16GB Mini 2)......still very much undecided.

    Actually for recording I found that I preferred using the iPad. Had a BR-800 and sold it because it was collecting dust. But the idea of a synth that is properly playable with real time knobs and such is very tempting. Then again there is the Roli Seaboard but I would be back to mapping, decisions, decisions.. :anguished:

    The Launchkey I bought is pretty good. Lots of knobs, and midi learn apps like Zeeon remember the settings so you don’t have to arse about. Doesn’t need external power either.

    Should be working but just had a cracking jam with the OP1 through AUM and iPad fx, accompanied with Rozeta triggered stuff. Lots of fun.

    Yeah I have one of the older Impulse keyboards with knobs and drum pads etc.. Maybe I should just buckle down and start mapping stuff properly to get some kind of consistency.

    The all-in-one nature of the OP-1 always appealed to me but it's a lot of money and I might not gel with it. Never seen anywhere that stocked them in the uk.

    I've got a Remote 25 that I have had for many years, still going strong and can be programmed onboard so works even when apps don't have midi learn. I have tried to use that and map consistently, i.e Filter cutoff and Res, envelope controls etc always on the same knobs etc...but with different synths having different controls I eventually gave up.

    I am definitely leaning more towards upgrading the iPad for recording, although the draw of the Zoom R24 is that it is 8 channel record, and has onboard FX, and uses SD cards (for expansion).....if I get the iPad I am still stuck with stereo record until i can get a multi IO interface, and a fixed capacity. The R24 would work out cheaper than the ipad let alone an interface too. BUT...visual editing of tracks on the ipad....not having this would be like going back to my old days of 4 track tape...although i look back fondly...it really was a nightmare at times LOL

    Oh and just to stay On Topic ... I will finish tracks on either :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I was given a loan of an OP1 yesterday, which fits in quite nicely with my ‘sample a silly noise then muck about with it’ ethos.

    Cor, can’t tell you how many years I have lusted after one of those.

    My occasional Horse Gas musical collaborator bought two for some reason, and has given/long-term loaned one to me...which is a bit weird as I've never expressed an interest. Took a bit of learning, but I'm nearly there now.

    They're very weird things. The sound quality can be a bit underwhelming compared to a lot of iPad synths, but the sampler's good, and rhythm/arp's/drums etc. are great to use.

    When I'm not using it I think to myself 'what a waste of money', 'why don't you just use an iPad it's easier, sounds better' etc. etc. But then I start playing with it and get lost in an hour of fun and noises. I'm guessing once the muscle memory kicks in and I can work the controls without thinking what I'm doing it'll be a proper performance thing. I'm not getting too attached though, just in case he asks for it back.

    Is it worth nearly £800? I wouldn't (couldn't) pay that, if I had that money I'd get a faster iPad. But maybe I'll change my mind after a week of using it. I sampled Synthscaper into it last night, and it sounded lovely.

    I've already recorded some silly loops with it, so I'll put the results up once I've bent them into shape via Launchpad/Blocs.

    That was the thing that surprised when playing the Korg Arp Odyssey in a shop. It was really nice to have a dedicated knob for everything, a really tactile instrument. I can set up mappings for knobs on a midi controller with iPad apps but it's not really the same thing. I have to choose beforehand what I want to map and that takes a bit of the random performance notion out of it.

    Amen to this, I much prefer the hands on, no need for pre planned and mapping approach. I have over the last year got a few hardware synths for that reason and am playing much more freely as a result. I am at the moment considering getting a digital multi-tracker to give me that same thing when recording/mixing...BUT, am conflicted as to whether the editing will be too much of a pain.
    My choices so far are Zoom R24 or new iPad 2017 128GB (to upgrade from my current 16GB Mini 2)......still very much undecided.

    Actually for recording I found that I preferred using the iPad. Had a BR-800 and sold it because it was collecting dust. But the idea of a synth that is properly playable with real time knobs and such is very tempting. Then again there is the Roli Seaboard but I would be back to mapping, decisions, decisions.. :anguished:

    The Launchkey I bought is pretty good. Lots of knobs, and midi learn apps like Zeeon remember the settings so you don’t have to arse about. Doesn’t need external power either.

    Should be working but just had a cracking jam with the OP1 through AUM and iPad fx, accompanied with Rozeta triggered stuff. Lots of fun.

    Yeah I have one of the older Impulse keyboards with knobs and drum pads etc.. Maybe I should just buckle down and start mapping stuff properly to get some kind of consistency.

    The all-in-one nature of the OP-1 always appealed to me but it's a lot of money and I might not gel with it. Never seen anywhere that stocked them in the uk.

    I've got a Remote 25 that I have had for many years, still going strong and can be programmed onboard so works even when apps don't have midi learn. I have tried to use that and map consistently, i.e Filter cutoff and Res, envelope controls etc always on the same knobs etc...but with different synths having different controls I eventually gave up.

    I am definitely leaning more towards upgrading the iPad for recording, although the draw of the Zoom R24 is that it is 8 channel record, and has onboard FX, and uses SD cards (for expansion).....if I get the iPad I am still stuck with stereo record until i can get a multi IO interface, and a fixed capacity. The R24 would work out cheaper than the ipad let alone an interface too. BUT...visual editing of tracks on the ipad....not having this would be like going back to my old days of 4 track tape...although i look back fondly...it really was a nightmare at times LOL

    Only you can decide which of those will suit your own particular ways of working. I did quite like the lack of visibility and the old school tapeness of the BR-800, the effects were brilliant as well but the lack of any kind of standard MIDI sync turned me off it. A better iPad, I suspect, will open up many doors for apps that you can run comfortably and in parallel but whether that is the direction I don't know. Personally my mac is the place I'm going to mess with stuff but it is starting to get expensive with all the options available.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    Once I’m happy with a track I delete any DAW files I’ve created, but usually these days I mix stuff together in Soundforge anyway, which means at the end I just have one finished file.

    Get it done, move on to the next one.

    Art is not eternal folks.

    My biggest inspiration is a local musician. He’d record a tape of original songs each evening, and sell the single copy for a pound when he was busking. No copies, no worries mate.

    I aspire to this. Seriously, I do.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is... Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is... Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Indeed. It's easy to toss snippets of audio back and forth via dropbox or somesuch.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is...

    It simply isn't possible.....not possible at all (Sssshhh trying some reverse psychology here ;) )

    Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Me too, I think this is probably down to us all using different apps and having no 'standard' way of transferring stuff between each other.

  • My cutoff is about 10 tracks and the song needs to be shorter than 8 minutes but longer than 6 minutes. When I reach the sweet spot of about 7:30 using 7-10 tracks (8 bar phrased) I'm about done. Mastering is straightforward too, just adjusting the very low and high and loud and quiet parts, no need to add any fancy fx.

    Is a song ever truly finished? I like to leave it a little unfinished to give the listener some room in the mix to imagine their own melodic ideas. Sometimes in the compression process of mastering new harmonic elements (phantom notes?) become more apparent which is awesome.

    When I listen to my own stuff I often feel inspired to chop it up and remix it. Maybe a metaphor for music is a puzzle, the fun part is taking it apart and putting it back together.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:
    My cutoff is about 10 tracks and the song needs to be shorter than 8 minutes but longer than 6 minutes. When I reach the sweet spot of about 7:30 using 7-10 tracks (8 bar phrased) I'm about done. Mastering is straightforward too, just adjusting the very low and high and loud and quiet parts, no need to add any fancy fx.

    Is a song ever truly finished? I like to leave it a little unfinished to give the listener some room in the mix to imagine their own melodic ideas. Sometimes in the compression process of mastering new harmonic elements (phantom notes?) become more apparent which is awesome.

    When I listen to my own stuff I often feel inspired to chop it up and remix it. Maybe a metaphor for music is a puzzle, the fun part is taking it apart and putting it back together.

    Nice insight into your methods. Thanks for divulging. :)

  • @CracklePot said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    My cutoff is about 10 tracks and the song needs to be shorter than 8 minutes but longer than 6 minutes. When I reach the sweet spot of about 7:30 using 7-10 tracks (8 bar phrased) I'm about done. Mastering is straightforward too, just adjusting the very low and high and loud and quiet parts, no need to add any fancy fx.

    Is a song ever truly finished? I like to leave it a little unfinished to give the listener some room in the mix to imagine their own melodic ideas. Sometimes in the compression process of mastering new harmonic elements (phantom notes?) become more apparent which is awesome.

    When I listen to my own stuff I often feel inspired to chop it up and remix it. Maybe a metaphor for music is a puzzle, the fun part is taking it apart and putting it back together.

    Nice insight into your methods. Thanks for divulging. :)

    LOL it sounds painfully formulaic, but there's really no shortage of creativity when getting a song started. The trick is to get it finished so that you can move on to the next idea that comes along.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is...

    It simply isn't possible.....not possible at all (Sssshhh trying some reverse psychology here ;) )

    Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Me too, I think this is probably down to us all using different apps and having no 'standard' way of transferring stuff between each other.

    I sat on this because of the first comment but I do have to mention that the standard way to transfer stuff does indeed exist and is called audio files. Unless of course you were being ironic..

  • @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is...

    It simply isn't possible.....not possible at all (Sssshhh trying some reverse psychology here ;) )

    Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Me too, I think this is probably down to us all using different apps and having no 'standard' way of transferring stuff between each other.

    I sat on this because of the first comment but I do have to mention that the standard way to transfer stuff does indeed exist and is called audio files. Unless of course you were being ironic..

    Even when transferring audio it has limitations and introduces further hurdles....you still need to pass over tempo and key information too, should this be metadata, filename, a Readme file along with the audio.....
    Also say for instance someone has a wicked beat in BM3 and someone else has a real TR808 to play it on.....If you transfer audio then you need to convert audio to MIDI to play it on the real thing....in this instance MIDI would be better

    Then there is song structure....do you transfer stems and a 'map' of how those stems are meant to go together, or do you make a mix and transfer that ? Neither is perfect...but agreed can be workable.

    The problem becomes that each transfer of audio needs negotiation and agreement beforehand so the recipient gets what they need.....and knows what to do with it when they get it.

    As for version control, forget it....unless you start using repositories like Github....

    All of this is stuff that most do not know or care about and just gets in the way, they are problems you do not have when you are sat in the same room.

    I guess the issues may be greater or lesser depending on how the collaboration is to work...if it is a free for all...as in here's what I done..take it away and do something to it.....or organised in a more tradition band like setup where each participant has a defined role.

    Now, if every app supported full MIDI + Audio Ableton project Import/Export would that solve most of the problems ?
    The SDK exists for export to Ableton....does the SDK also include Import ?

    I am very interested to hear how folks would see this stuff working in practice, and if anyone is doing it successfully I am hugely keen on collaborating...but have always come across hurdles on the way that make it painful.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is...

    It simply isn't possible.....not possible at all (Sssshhh trying some reverse psychology here ;) )

    Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Me too, I think this is probably down to us all using different apps and having no 'standard' way of transferring stuff between each other.

    I sat on this because of the first comment but I do have to mention that the standard way to transfer stuff does indeed exist and is called audio files. Unless of course you were being ironic..

    Even when transferring audio it has limitations and introduces further hurdles....you still need to pass over tempo and key information too, should this be metadata, filename, a Readme file along with the audio.....
    Also say for instance someone has a wicked beat in BM3 and someone else has a real TR808 to play it on.....If you transfer audio then you need to convert audio to MIDI to play it on the real thing....in this instance MIDI would be better

    Then there is song structure....do you transfer stems and a 'map' of how those stems are meant to go together, or do you make a mix and transfer that ? Neither is perfect...but agreed can be workable.

    The problem becomes that each transfer of audio needs negotiation and agreement beforehand so the recipient gets what they need.....and knows what to do with it when they get it.

    As for version control, forget it....unless you start using repositories like Github....

    All of this is stuff that most do not know or care about and just gets in the way, they are problems you do not have when you are sat in the same room.

    I guess the issues may be greater or lesser depending on how the collaboration is to work...if it is a free for all...as in here's what I done..take it away and do something to it.....or organised in a more tradition band like setup where each participant has a defined role.

    Now, if every app supported full MIDI + Audio Ableton project Import/Export would that solve most of the problems ?
    The SDK exists for export to Ableton....does the SDK also include Import ?

    I am very interested to hear how folks would see this stuff working in practice, and if anyone is doing it successfully I am hugely keen on collaborating...but have always come across hurdles on the way that make it painful.

    You can make it as easy or as difficult as you like @AndyPlankton but I thought the goal was to collaborate with other people not make them pass a series of tests.. :wink:

    The point, for me, of collaboration is that a piece of music comes from the mixing of two or more peoples musical experiences and tastes to achieve something that a lone musician probably wouldn't come up with.

    All those issues may arise over time but the traditional band ethos of turn up, plug in and make a noise can be fairly satisfying with the swapping of wav files. I have found that if you give up a bit of control, other people are likely to surprise you in ways that will in turn inspire you to cover new ground.

    I would suggest the only thing stooping most people from doing this is not technical but a matter of confidence. If you want to collaborate, pick someone on the forum whose work you admire and ask them whether they want to. Simple as that. It works and it's a great thrill when it happens.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is...

    It simply isn't possible.....not possible at all (Sssshhh trying some reverse psychology here ;) )

    Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Me too, I think this is probably down to us all using different apps and having no 'standard' way of transferring stuff between each other.

    I sat on this because of the first comment but I do have to mention that the standard way to transfer stuff does indeed exist and is called audio files. Unless of course you were being ironic..

    Even when transferring audio it has limitations and introduces further hurdles....you still need to pass over tempo and key information too, should this be metadata, filename, a Readme file along with the audio.....
    Also say for instance someone has a wicked beat in BM3 and someone else has a real TR808 to play it on.....If you transfer audio then you need to convert audio to MIDI to play it on the real thing....in this instance MIDI would be better

    Then there is song structure....do you transfer stems and a 'map' of how those stems are meant to go together, or do you make a mix and transfer that ? Neither is perfect...but agreed can be workable.

    The problem becomes that each transfer of audio needs negotiation and agreement beforehand so the recipient gets what they need.....and knows what to do with it when they get it.

    As for version control, forget it....unless you start using repositories like Github....

    All of this is stuff that most do not know or care about and just gets in the way, they are problems you do not have when you are sat in the same room.

    I guess the issues may be greater or lesser depending on how the collaboration is to work...if it is a free for all...as in here's what I done..take it away and do something to it.....or organised in a more tradition band like setup where each participant has a defined role.

    Now, if every app supported full MIDI + Audio Ableton project Import/Export would that solve most of the problems ?
    The SDK exists for export to Ableton....does the SDK also include Import ?

    I am very interested to hear how folks would see this stuff working in practice, and if anyone is doing it successfully I am hugely keen on collaborating...but have always come across hurdles on the way that make it painful.

    You can make it as easy or as difficult as you like @AndyPlankton but I thought the goal was to collaborate with other people not make them pass a series of tests.. :wink:

    The point, for me, of collaboration is that a piece of music comes from the mixing of two or more peoples musical experiences and tastes to achieve something that a lone musician probably wouldn't come up with.

    All those issues may arise over time but the traditional band ethos of turn up, plug in and make a noise can be fairly satisfying with the swapping of wav files. I have found that if you give up a bit of control, other people are likely to surprise you in ways that will in turn inspire you to cover new ground.

    I would suggest the only thing stooping most people from doing this is not technical but a matter of confidence. If you want to collaborate, pick someone on the forum whose work you admire and ask them whether they want to. Simple as that. It works and it's a great thrill when it happens.

    I am not trying to test anyone, well, myself perhaps ;) .... Everything I have said here is based on my experience of trying to collaborate remotely via audio or MIDI or whatever, not just with electronic, but also going back years when I would try and share stuff via cassette tape...The process for me has never worked remotely....and has only worked when live in a room together.

    Hmmmm, give up control....NEVER....LOL Only kidding....

    Maybe your right....I think the fear in this technology age could be..... I have made this with my tools, and I have made it in such a way that I can take the bits and pieces and put them through the production process knowing that I have everything just how I need it in order to change what I need to during that process, I give it to you and you send me back a crappy mp3......what is in that mp3 could be awesome, but I can't do anything useful with an mp3.

    Perhaps it works for me in a room because there is none of the above involved

    Let me ponder...and thanks for the viewpoint :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    I really miss being in bands, playing live particularly. Thought it was going to happen last year but they turned out to be a bunch of noodlers and I'd be long dead by the time they were gig ready.

    Shame some of the members on here aren't local, I reckon we could have a few decent sessions between us.

    This is where we need @brambos to create BramJam the realtime collaborative app :D

    Synchronous collaboration isn't feasible yet but asynchronous is...

    It simply isn't possible.....not possible at all (Sssshhh trying some reverse psychology here ;) )

    Surprised there haven't been more collaborative projects amongst forumites.

    Me too, I think this is probably down to us all using different apps and having no 'standard' way of transferring stuff between each other.

    I sat on this because of the first comment but I do have to mention that the standard way to transfer stuff does indeed exist and is called audio files. Unless of course you were being ironic..

    Even when transferring audio it has limitations and introduces further hurdles....you still need to pass over tempo and key information too, should this be metadata, filename, a Readme file along with the audio.....
    Also say for instance someone has a wicked beat in BM3 and someone else has a real TR808 to play it on.....If you transfer audio then you need to convert audio to MIDI to play it on the real thing....in this instance MIDI would be better

    Then there is song structure....do you transfer stems and a 'map' of how those stems are meant to go together, or do you make a mix and transfer that ? Neither is perfect...but agreed can be workable.

    The problem becomes that each transfer of audio needs negotiation and agreement beforehand so the recipient gets what they need.....and knows what to do with it when they get it.

    As for version control, forget it....unless you start using repositories like Github....

    All of this is stuff that most do not know or care about and just gets in the way, they are problems you do not have when you are sat in the same room.

    I guess the issues may be greater or lesser depending on how the collaboration is to work...if it is a free for all...as in here's what I done..take it away and do something to it.....or organised in a more tradition band like setup where each participant has a defined role.

    Now, if every app supported full MIDI + Audio Ableton project Import/Export would that solve most of the problems ?
    The SDK exists for export to Ableton....does the SDK also include Import ?

    I am very interested to hear how folks would see this stuff working in practice, and if anyone is doing it successfully I am hugely keen on collaborating...but have always come across hurdles on the way that make it painful.

    You can make it as easy or as difficult as you like @AndyPlankton but I thought the goal was to collaborate with other people not make them pass a series of tests.. :wink:

    The point, for me, of collaboration is that a piece of music comes from the mixing of two or more peoples musical experiences and tastes to achieve something that a lone musician probably wouldn't come up with.

    All those issues may arise over time but the traditional band ethos of turn up, plug in and make a noise can be fairly satisfying with the swapping of wav files. I have found that if you give up a bit of control, other people are likely to surprise you in ways that will in turn inspire you to cover new ground.

    I would suggest the only thing stooping most people from doing this is not technical but a matter of confidence. If you want to collaborate, pick someone on the forum whose work you admire and ask them whether they want to. Simple as that. It works and it's a great thrill when it happens.

    I am not trying to test anyone, well, myself perhaps ;) .... Everything I have said here is based on my experience of trying to collaborate remotely via audio or MIDI or whatever, not just with electronic, but also going back years when I would try and share stuff via cassette tape...The process for me has never worked remotely....and has only worked when live in a room together.

    Hmmmm, give up control....NEVER....LOL Only kidding....

    Maybe your right....I think the fear in this technology age could be..... I have made this with my tools, and I have made it in such a way that I can take the bits and pieces and put them through the production process knowing that I have everything just how I need it in order to change what I need to during that process, I give it to you and you send me back a crappy mp3......what is in that mp3 could be awesome, but I can't do anything useful with an mp3.

    Perhaps it works for me in a room because there is none of the above involved

    Let me ponder...and thanks for the viewpoint :)

    Now, I can only speak for what works for me. I used to be in bands and I was pretty prolific in getting new tunes to the bands that I was in, sometimes too much so. But I'm always mindful that there are others in the band with their own creative ideas. This used to sometimes end in huge rows about the direction a song might take, due to us having to play together at the same time. But it can be handled better with remote collaboration. If all of you want to take a song in a different direction, fine, just do it. There are no restrictions on the number of versions you can create.

    We use wav files to share audio, the quality is plenty good enough but then almost anything recorded nowadays is going to be usable in some form or another.

    I have seen that you are a pretty even minded individual around the forum but I think sometimes we need to let go of what we know and take that chance. Working with others is great if it is a learning experience too.

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