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Blocs Wave -> Launchpad export. Drastic difference in sound?
Hi guys.
Had some time today to experiment further with the Launchpad export in Blocs Wave and found some baffling inconsistencies with the sounds of sections.
As a test I filled up all 48 slots in Blocs, no manipulation of the samples by me, just as they come, and exported this as a Launchpad project.
While it sounded decent in Blocs Wave there were big differences in the mix within Launchpad.
I stuck to the format of a scene having 1 Drums, 1 Percussion, 1 Bass, 2 Melodics, 1 Vocal and 2 FX.
The sections mix in Launchpad have the bass and drums samples completely overshadowed by the melodics and Vocals.
Mixer settings in Launchpad are all at their default levels.
Anybody else notice this?
Any explanatiotions you found?
@AmpifyxNovation Is this expected behaviour?
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Had this issue too. Took me some time to troubleshoot, but there is definitely an issue with imported lauchpad soundpacks in Blocs wave. Viral hip hop and others were totally wrong with too low levels when going from Blocs wave to Lauchpad, just like you. So check if it’s the case for you. The only fix is to change levels in LP, as even if you flatten or export individuals blocs the issue is still there. I reported the issue to devs on last november, they said there was perhaps an issue with different mastering standards between the two apps (their words), but it seems it’s not fixed yet. In my case I removed those LP packs from blocs wave as I don’t want to have a blocs wave project not usable in lauchpad and with flattening/exports issues. All blocs wave packs and iaps packs have no issues at all, and I buyed tons.
Thanks @Janosax
Appreciate your post, at least it confirms it’s not just my ears!
I’ll have to work out which packs were bought in Launchpad and those in BW.
Cheers.
You’re welcome. It’s an annoying bug for sure. I didn’t buyed any LP packs, so I had to remove only three free LP sounds packs. Hope you haven’t buyed too much. Again change levels in LP to keep your projects. You can always choose to hide some soundpacks in Blocswave (choose edit option from packs list) instead of removing if you want to keep them in LP. However, for removing them in BW, you have to delete them in LP.
@Janosax Aha. Good advice, cheers!
I have only the stock and free soundpacks for BW. I recreated a BW file like you had outlined and exported to LP. It actually sounded better in LP to me, so I am thinking it is certain soundpacks if you have purchased some. I tried exporting both file types and they were they were consistent sounding. I noticed a pretty big difference in BW if I turned the maximizes on and off, but that didn’t affect the export in any way, just made things louder in BW when playing.
Issue occurs only with free and purchased packs from Lauchpad when imported in Blocs wave. Stock, free and purchased Blocs wave sound packs have no issues at all.
@Janosax Nice. Thanks for clearing that up.
I was a little worried about buying any BW soundpacks, but all good it seems.
Updated iOS and Blocs Wave.
However, Blocs Wave to Launchpad export is now crashing unless Launchpad app is manually opened prior to export.
Also, flattening the sample in Blocs Wave is definitely altering the sound. This matches the sound changes when heard after exporting into Launchpad.
Why do I get the feeling something's changing with these guys? Maybe? I know a lot of development is slow, slow, quick, quick, slow, but I sense they have their own roadmap (of course!). Or not. Sometimes it can feel a little uncomfortable if you sense folks may be changing the seat while you're sitting in the saddle. Or not. Don't want to regret buying the metric fucktron of packs I have already at this point, but it seems like lately I'm pulling out a single sample at a time to use elsewhere, which I guess is what folks have always done with loops, but, but....whatever, just rambling on a Friday night while I wait for my ears to come back down from being blasted these past few hours...
I had this happen too. At least the BW export was intact and able to be opened in LP after restarting it, so I can live with that. At least BW seems useable again with the other bugs squashed.
From conversations on the other thread, it seems there’s been a change in management focus.
They had three unique killer apps, but now one has been killed off, and the remaining two mucked about and missing out on potential greatness. All because they’re focusing on a new vanilla beatmaker no-one seems that bothered about, which has no connection to their own hardware.
We can only hope someone with the original vision is still there, who can stop the rot.
I noticed recently that Ampify have been advertising for a couple of Developer positions.
Hopefully this is a sign of the team expanding rather than replacing. With 3 apps to maintain the workload is likely overwhelming.
We all want the apps to be the best they can be and I’m sure none more so than the development team.
The job descriptions hint at big plans, so fingers crossed that with a larger team the speed of fixes and development goes turbo in 2018.
In my case, I still use Blocs wave and Lauchpad a lot. But it’s true those little bugs are annoying and far from ideal. Launching BW before AUM, don’t using LP sound packs, checking playback loop behavior while recording with Link in BW, launching LP before exporting from BW.... lol not very professional, this remember me my beginning with Cubase VST 5.1 and Windows 98. For sure Blocs wave and Lauchpad are far from professional apps, in conception, target, and features. But even with all their limits and bugs, I still love them and they allow to create some pretty pro tracks. Especially Blocs wave and it slicer mode, I love this thing. Sometimes limits are great, doing more with less is nice too. I must say whole iOS platform music production is full of little bugs which can push me crazy at times, this system is NOT professional. iPhone screen edges delay fixed only on 50% of apps, iOS11 full of issues, iPad Pro 2017 issues, too much cpu hungry AUV3 ans other issues, apps never fixed or abandonware, features you wait for in some apps for many years or which never arrived.... iOS music is a tool, but it’s risky not to have a B plan. I’m not inspired at this time by laptop music, but I keep my Lenovo with Ableton and Reason ready just in case. I know I will need it one day.
Now you said that some LP packs get distorted when imported in Blocs (electronic swing and swing fest almost I remember)
@AmpifyxNovation please IDK what internal changes or evolutions are getting rear curtains (but certainly there are being) but it could be possible to put some focus on quality control?
I’m lossing trust by days...
Hi dubby
No distortion, LP packs are played well in BW after import, which is automatic. But if you use this LP loops in BW, and want to flatten, export to audio, Ableton live set or Lauchpad, they will have too low level, and the difference is huge you will hear it even in a 8 loops mix with an almost inaudible bass for example. So you’re 100% right, the main issue is with quality control. Not professional.
Hi @Janosax!
Maybe I explained wrong myself... not trying to point the same issue but maybe another.
Maybe those packs where wromg recorded? Just a coincidence pointing a issues with sharing packs and levels.
Exactly this.
Hi @AmpifyxNovation Are you aware of the sound differences documented above?
Is this been worked on so that the sounds from both Blocs and Launchpad can be included together in projects?
You have a sale on and it would be nice to know if the bug is planned to be fixed so I can go ahead and buy some packs. Thanks in advance for any update on this issue.
Anyone else has audio glitches/crackles with Lauchpad since last redesign December update? They’re randomly present, essentially at beginning of a session, with or without headphones on my iPhone 7 Plus. They don’t affect recordings. I sent @AmpifyxNovation mails about that, received only one answer they are supposed to work on that since a while but still no fix two months later.
Which iOS are you on?
iOS 11.2.5
Yes and also mailed them and notify throught social networks but it seems not a priority for @AmpifyxNovation so I’ve sold some of my novation launch controllers and just using BlocsWave as compositive tool. Then export to Garageband or old laptop with Live5.
Hardly I will look back...
Thanks for your notification @AmpifyxNovation
Hey everyone, thanks for your feedback regarding differences in sound levels and audio glitches. Apologies for those -- we'll take a look. //James
@AmpifyxNovation Since the blocs wave update this week, audio glitches have gone for me on Air 2. I am back to being able to play both Groovebox and blocs wave simultaneously and being able to app switch nice and smoothly
Great, thanks. Look forward to hearing your findings.
Great to hear! We fixed something in the audio engine recently that might have been causing audio glitches across all 3 apps, so it's good to get confirmation! //James
Sorry to hear this. Sometimes we drop the ball when it comes to following up support enquires. We're trying to get better! //James
Still have the issue with Lauchpad since December big update: little audio glitches here and there while playing but not in recordings. Seems to be better after 5 mn. It’s even after latest update. I seems to me that @Dubbylabby have stopped using the app on its iPad because of that and other things. In my case I use an iPhone 7 Plus.