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If you're wondering what you can mine for a true song about your life, start with this...
Many of these films you’ve mentioned were novels adapted for film.
Learning to play either an instrument or to write well is a skill that requires a willingness and an ability to practice those skills in order to develop them to the point people besides your friends or family will say they enjoy them. Depending on the family dynamics, they might not be the best audience either. There aren’t any short cuts but many ways to waste your time which consist of trying to learn in a half hearted way so you end up with low quality compositions.
If you don’t read and have had little desire to do so, in my opinion, until you read more you will not acquire enough insight into how writing works to develop anything worth reading.
If poetry is a specific interest, buy a poetry anthology which is a compilation of contemporary poets. This will be a way of reading a variety of styles which can be a process for helping you to develop your own approaches and ideas. It’s perfectly reasonable to skim or skip over poems/poets which you don’t relate to.
Alternatively you could start writing and ask people who aren’t just your friends to provide you with some feedback on your writing.
Why are you asking people on a mobile music forum for advice about writing? I wouldn’t go to a writers forum, tell them I don’t really listen to any music, and then ask them for advice about which instruments I should play.
Perhaps you’d be better off going to a comedy club where they have an open mic night and start developing your material?
Time to live and time to die - Erich Maria Remarque
Stone and Pain - Karel Schultz
Europe - Norman Davies
The Call of the Wild - Jack London
These are what I’ve enjoyed reading the most at different stages of my long winding life.
These days out of laziness I only listen to podcasts. Loads of BBC stuff:
Seriously
Short Cuts
In Our Time
The Digital Human
Our Man in the Middle East.
and All In The Mind from ABC Radio National, Australia
I don’t think any of the above can be considered hard core so just dive in.
I don't want to send this discussion off into something else, but I must say I disagree with your last two paragraphs quite strongly. Wish we could all sit round a (large) table at the coffee shop and thrash this out for an hour or two, but the dog needs walking
@JohnnyGoodyear they’re suggestions based on my personal experience and as with all free advice, people are free to do what if anything they want with them. I don’t ever recall dismissing any of your suggestions and you provide them frequently.
If you disagree very strongly with what I’ve said, then after you’ve come back from walking the dog, I hope you explain why they’re problematic.
Knowledge is over rated.
Look at humanity. You want to live like them? You want to shape your brain the way they have?
The human is a confused animal. Observe other animals. They live in harmony without libraries. Be(a)ware.
Do less. (And...don't take other people's advice)
Not only books are knowledge. Observing other animals is too. Observing other well read animals is good too. Use your brain to choose the good advice from the bad as you would with books, music or anything else for that matter.
‘Look at humanity....’ you sound like Lord Vader.
No harm in asking a friendly community an off topic question. There’s only so many forums you might want to be a part of.
I didn't get the impression that @Blipsford_Baubie wants to write a novel or become a poet. Seems like he or she may just want to improve conversational skills/vocabulary?
If that is the case then reading will help here, just like with listening to music it's rare to find people that have exactly the same taste as yourself
Since fight club was mentioned, "survivor" by the same author works great in audiobook format. Without giving too much away the book is a transcription of a tape recording.
@InfoCheck Have you noticed that we have a brand new section called "off topic"?
I only ask because this has caused confusion in a few other threads in this new place.
I am aware of the new off topic section, and I’ve posted to some of those threads though not started an off topic thread. What has motivated you to address me specifically with your questions?
I didn’t start this thread and have no interest at this time in initiating off topic threads. I will respond to threads when the content is of interest to me.
Most music related forums have an off-topic section @InfoCheck , almost all of them will have a thread about books on page 1. I'm surprised it took so long for this one to appear.
As I said already, quite a few people were not aware off the off topic section. Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't happening again.
Enjoy your morning/afternoon/evening sir/madam
I recommend reading stuff from both of these unrelated American authors:
William S. Burroughs and Edgar Rice Burroughs
Thank you, I do think enough people are here often enough with a wide range of interests that having an off topic section was a good idea. I’d made a suggestion to have one here years ago.
Anything by John Irving, in particular The Cider House Rules or The World According To Garp
I did not dismiss them. My mother drug me up far too kind for that
I just disagree with them. It's quite OK. Just opinions. I was leavening yours with mine to give the OP some balance is all. Dog says hello.
In my opinion, if it’s important enough to disagree about something then it’s important enough to explain why. Your explanations could provide additional food for thought which might benefit the OP and others.
I hope you and your dog had a nice walk and that neither of you are too sore from the experience.
Totally agree about the family and friends thing. Sounds like good advice over all. The reason i chose this music forum is cause I've been on here a few years, and I like the way people here generally express themselves. All the way from some of the song writing to the argumentative and persuasive rhetoric around here, and even a troll or two, or three. Can't tell really, they might all be the same one. And as @BlueGreenSpiral sensed, I'm looking to join more of these types of conversations. Not looking to write a novel. But I'd be quite proud in writing some good "bad" poetry in song format. I don't particularly like the sound of rockabilly much, but i like the story telling. But regarding the bad poetry, i like Jim Morrison's poetry for example, despite the fact that it's been critisized as bad or wrong? Perhaps i shouldn't even be comparing poetry to lyrical writing? Some of the established pop tunes from over the years will contain a line of grammatically incorrect stuff but the rhythm allows it to just roll off the tongue and couldn't sound better any other way.
And the reason I chose a music form in general was very intentional. I don't want opinions to come close from the academic and purist circle. I like the college drop outs and street performer type. But i say all this understanding that it's good to know the rules before you break them.
I'm a sucker for Terry Gross on Fresh Air. If anything, for motivation and inspiration from some of the interviewees.
I like the idea of stories and short stories as a way to get my feet wet. Thanks for the recommendations.
Thanks, essays seem far less intimidating than novels right now. Recommendation seems up my alley.
How much knowledge is required for ultimate creativity?
Some sound advice there. Makes a lot of sense. I can definitely relate to that analogy. I do believe writing a journal about my work environment would be great practice. I'm a CNC machinist for almost 3 years now. But i work with guys who've been there 10, 20, and 30 years. They all have there own idiosyncrasies, and many retell the same stories, jokes, and have the same arguments with each other over and over again. I feel as tho I'm reliving "Ground Hog Day" the movie. Even though it's a depressing environment to work in, I've also always had a fascination with industry in general. I'm strangely attracted to the grey concrete floors, the bare walls and ceilings with the exposed beams; which also lack color, and the sound of the machinery.
I'm also fascinated when driving through once thriving industrial cities, which is now just urban decay. I like to watch the grafitti and the small squares of randomly broke windows pass by as I imagine somebody on the inside shooting up or smoking crack; and how such a cold, damp, and dismal environment can currently seem like such a warm and comforting blanket to that intoxicated person or persons.
Really can’t agree with there being no merit in asking this type of question here. Think about the structure of language and music, there are a lot similarities. Look at the progression of some of your favorite writers and how ideas progress linguistically with transition words and phrases.
So if you’re just looking for articulation recite some Shakespeare out loud, Heart of Darkness, or some Oscar Wilde with the pen in the mouth technique. Read some Orwell and Huxley and see which one applies better to the times. Try out Borges or Hesse if you want some philosophy that’s worked into story. If you can dig them, Russians like Dostoevsky could spend chapters describing a city street at dusk and are chock full of vocabulary.
Many of the musicians have taken much of their inspiration from books, Bowie said he was just a librarian with sex appeal...
Define ultimate creativity
Ia this a value-laden question?
I've always been convinced that a librarian was the love I never met...
Bowie quote reminded me that his son Duncan has recently started a book club where the participants are reading some of Bowie's favorite books. MrsChasteen says that they are currently reading Peter Ackroyd's Hawksmoor.